Merci Nicolas,<span></span><div><br></div><div>I spoke to Wendy tonight and there is no hard feeling. I'm going to consult npoc-voice on the NCUC letter and see what comes out of it.</div><div><br></div><div> I can say that collaboration between NCUC and NPOC is moving in the right direction and EC members from both Constituencies are reaching across the old boundary in many ways.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Alain<br><br>On Thursday, June 28, 2012, Nicolas Adam wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Would have been best to be inclusive of other potential supporting Constituencies before presenting it to NCUC, IMHO. It changes things slightly, politically. We cut ourselves off from a chance to bond more thoroughly than we still can.<br>
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But I don't mean to distribute blame, I merely mean to give my opinion on abstract best practices for future processes.<br>
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Nicolas<br>
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On 28/06/2012 10:36 AM, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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Dear Alain,<br>
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On the contrary, one constituency reaches a recommendation and then presents it to the other.<br>
Accept the recommendation or not, but the process is not improper.<br>
There may be some things that we do together,<br>
but for the most part constituencies will have separate initiatives.<br>
<br>
That is why we have separate constituencies.<br>
I assume that its why you all wanted a constituency of your own.<br>
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<br>
avri<br>
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Alain Berranger <<a>alain.berranger@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br>
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Avri, If one seeks an NCSG position on an issue, starting say from an<br>
NCUC<br>
initiative, it seems reasonable to invite SG wide participation from<br>
the<br>
beginning. I call that being inclusive as early as possible.<br>
<br>
Let's see what NPOC members' feedback we get.<br>
<br>
Best, Alain<br>
<br>
On Thursday, June 28, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
This was an NCUC initiative. At this point it its looking for<br>
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further<br>
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support among the NCSG membership.<br>
<br>
If it being a NCUC initiative makes it a problem for NPOC, I am sure<br>
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we<br>
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will all understand. In any case, the real value is for individuals<br>
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to<br>
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forward it on to any privacy our data protection officials they may<br>
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have<br>
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contract with - assuming they support the goal of getting such input<br>
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into<br>
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the ICANN discussions.<br>
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avri<br>
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Alain Berranger <<a>alain.berranger@GMAIL.COM</a> <javascript:;>> wrote:<br>
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Thanks Wendy,<br>
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It would have been nice to be invited when you started the drafting.<br>
<br>
I will provide comments soonest convenient, so for now please do not<br>
associate NPOC with the NCUC letter.<br>
<br>
Alain<br>
<br>
On Thursday, June 28, 2012, Wendy Seltzer wrote:<br>
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Hi NCUC,<br>
<br>
As we discussed Tuesday, a drafting team met yesterday to write a<br>
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letter<br>
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to privacy commissioners and organizations, noting our concerns<br>
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with<br>
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the<br>
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privacy implications of the RAA draft's WHOIS data collection and<br>
retention requirements, and inviting them to send comments to the<br>
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ICANN<br>
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Board.<br>
<br>
Thanks especially to Kim for getting us started, and to Joy, Avri,<br>
Rafik, Sam, and David for help revising. It's drafted on behalf of<br>
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NCUC,<br>
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as that was where we held principal discussion, but of course NPOC<br>
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is<br>
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welcome to join as well.<br>
<br>
The next step is to send it to Privacy Commissioners and privacy<br>
organizations, with a cover note if you have direct connections.<br>
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I'll<br>
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keep a list of contacts we've made (and you can invite them to let<br>
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us<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<div>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
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