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First problem is demand, uptake, critical mass.<br>
<br>
Once you have that, then tech problems gets dealt with. Phone and
emails will not be the main driver of uptake, they will get dealt
with in the long run. I already use gmail's smtp to be able to send
many of my other email adresses (including my main business one, for
a dramatic example) while at home.<br>
<br>
The pirate bay has all the clout needed to start this ball rolling,
IMO.<br>
<br>
Nicolas<br>
<br>
On 5/17/2012 11:10 AM, Michael Haffely wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CANrQg1s5oT521W9KCvbr2Y+sLdKn+V_1gcMbSyENqamTO08zEA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">It is not as easy "only running a script", and suggest
the following exercise to prove my point.<br>
<br>
Change your DNS on your phone to point to an alternate DNS
provider while on the carriers network.<br>
<br>
Yes, you *do* need to be very technical to accomplish this. If
users can't get to an alternate DNS on all devices they use, it
won't be accepted. Users won't accept a system where they can
only send email to X on Wi-Fi, but can't communicate with X on the
carriers or ISP's network. With the trend of more
smartphones/tablets as the primary internet access device this
will prevent the mass uptake of alternate root DNS.<br>
<br>
The existing root DNS has worked acceptably for decades, and with
DNSSEC it has fixed some of the security concerns. To answer "Why
Not?" to the question of trusting alternative DNS doesn't answer
any of the concerns raised in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="external mw-magiclink-rfc"
href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2826">RFC 2826</a> nor does
it address the lack of financial, political, and technical
stability and longevity that the Alternative DNS systems have
exhibited.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Nuno
Garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ngarcia@ngarcia.net" target="_blank">ngarcia@ngarcia.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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please see inline:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 17 May 2012 13:42, Michael Haffely
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncuc@jollyrogers.com" target="_blank">ncuc@jollyrogers.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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I don't think it is user share so much as fundamental
problems with Alternate DNS systems. <br>
<br>
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<div>it is. Unless its run by political (or alike) reazons,
its a business<br>
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How easy is it to block alternate DNS by governmental,
law, or other agencies or actors? Unlike the existing DNS
system, it is quite trivial to flatten an entire alternate
DNS and have no appreciable impact to the Internet.<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
in the Internet its as easy to block as it is to
circumvent<br>
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How does it work at sites that block outbound DNS requests
at the edge?<br>
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<div><br>
circumvent, use DNS apps, for instance, use proxies,
whatever...<br>
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Are you and all those you want to access these resources
technical enough to configure all your phones, computers,
etc. to implement alternate DNS for all networks?<br>
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<div><br>
No one needs to be technical enough, only to run a script
and its done.<br>
<br>
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Why trust an alternate DNS?<br>
<br>
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why not?<br>
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