Yes, the issues report is now the priority so it seems wasteful to have the DT continue... Alain<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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That is exactly the point some of us are making.<br>
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Some disagree, e.g. Alan G. argued that a PDP could not complete in time and thus this group needed to soldier on and fulfill its charter. So there is a difference of opinion the issue of continuing.<br>
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But then again the issue is wider than the IFRC and IOT at this point. For example, one of the reasons put forward by the IFRC is that they do not want to waste the contributions they get for doing their charitable mission in the fight against mark transgressors - the URS and UDRP cost money they would prefer to spend otherwise. I am assuming a lot of charities could make a similar plea. So I think any solution by this group will be flawed for many reasons ranging from procedure to fairness.<br>
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In any case, it was pointed out that the g-council created the Discussion Team and thus the g-council was the only entity that could tell them to close up shop and put the energies (Staff as well as volunteer) into the issues report and then the PDP, assuming the PDP will be approved, which seems sort of inevitable to me.<br>
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On 18 Apr 2012, at 15:22, Evan Leibovitch wrote:<br>
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> On 18 April 2012 13:26, <<a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> The group was chartered to also discuss second level protections for the IOC and RC; it's not entirely clear that with the Board rejection of the GNSO motion for *additional* protections the group still shouldn't be discussing second level protections not premised on such additional protections.<br>
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> If such an issue is still on the table, it should be in the form of a proper PDP that can better incorporate input from all communities.<br>
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> This was a hastily-assembled reaction to a specific Board request. Its core question has been asked and answered.<br>
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> The very fact that it's not a working group is only the most obvious clue of this effort's ad-hoc nature. Since the Board has explicitly rejected any wording changes to the AG, continued use of a Drafting Team for further work is wholly inappropriate.<br>
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> FWIW, I support its dissolution. I am speaking here because the differences in process enable different levels of engagement of non-GNSO communities.<br>
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> - Evan<br>
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> In other words, it has not been disbanded by the GNSO Council or its charter amended.<br>
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> I will try to get on the call since no one else seems to be able to, and will stay on as long as I can. I'd be surprised if the Chair doesn't raise the Board resolution or the recent GNSO motion that we proposed (and succeeded in getting through) - he has already forwarded them to the Drafting Team mailing list. I will ask the question if he does not.<br>
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> Cheers<br>
> Mary<br>
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> From: Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG">robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG</a>><br>
> To: <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br>
> Date: 4/18/2012 12:51 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [ntfy-gnso-iocrc-dt] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation/GAC/GNSO issues related to International Olympic Committee (IOC) & Red Cross (RC) names discussion group<br>
> Yes, I agree that this group must be disbanded. It has become a runaway train and the board has already rejected its recommendations. Do we need to propose a motion in the GNSO to end the group?<br>
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> Thanks,<br>
> Robin<br>
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> On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:58 AM, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote:<br>
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> > Thanks Avri - I won't be attending either this call. Wolfgang is also representing NCSG in this group but I am equally baffled as to why this group continues to meet and discuss things that will end up becoming policy. I think this needs to be challenged somehow!<br>
> ><br>
> > KK<br>
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> > From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<br>
> > Sent: Τετάρτη, 18 Απριλίου 2012 12:37 μμ<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [ntfy-gnso-iocrc-dt] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation/GAC/GNSO issues related to International Olympic Committee (IOC) & Red Cross (RC) names discussion group<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > I assume KK is no attending as well given his hew role in life.<br>
> ><br>
> > Who else from NCSG has been attending. Will we have a voice at this meeting?<br>
> ><br>
> > And now that there is an issues report request in the works, why is this group still meeting?<br>
> ><br>
> > avri<br>
> ><br>
> > On 17 Apr 2012, at 23:56, Joy Liddicoat wrote:<br>
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> >> Subject: [ntfy-gnso-iocrc-dt] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation/GAC/GNSO issues related to International Olympic Committee (IOC) & Red Cross (RC) names discussion group<br>
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