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<DIV>Dear Alain, Dear Friends</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for this important contribution and clarification.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Despite the fact that it is in parts very hard
going I urge you to read the article Alain has mentioned: <A
href="http://ejil.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/4/775.full"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">http://ejil.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/4/775.full</FONT></A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>There is only one question to be asked in the
context of granting exemptions to anyone and that question is: “Is there any
specific reason that forces the fact that an exception has to be made?” and the
article points us into a direction where this actually might be the case or not
and why. If it is to protect human rights, that sounds good enough for me, but
is that the case here?. Interestingly in the case of the RC cross this argument
can be made, in the case of the IOC certainly not. The ILP concept is certainly
an additional tool to demonstrate why the two are and can not be treated the
same. This all said I still put Avri’s: IF ANY? in the center of all further
deliberations.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>There is another, maybe even more important
reason to have a closer look at the ILP concept. In the origin and center of the
exception debate stands, besides creed and self interest, the complicated and
painful relationship between ICANN and the nation states. The concept of ILP
might be able to help to clarify and defuse this relationship.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Just some thoughts</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Klaus</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=alain.berranger@GMAIL.COM
href="mailto:alain.berranger@GMAIL.COM">Alain Berranger</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 08, 2012 4:22 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Update on IOC/RC issue: motion proposed by NCSG for
PDP</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Colleagues,
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<DIV>The notion of "International Legal Personality (ILP)" as a "litmus test"
was introduced in the NCSG Policy Committee's motion after early discussion in
San José and later consideration. The Portugal representative at the GAC meeting
in San José referred to similar notions in San José without however specifically
mentioning "ILP" that I recall - I have not searched for the transcript. </DIV>
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<DIV>It should prove to be a tough test to pass for most international
governmental <U><B>and/or non-governmental</B></U> organizations, to the
exception of UN system organizations. The "UN+10" referred to by Klaus and Avri,
is purely notional but a symbolic way of saying it is not going to be a lot
(maybe 10?) of non-governmental organizations that can pass the test. It is hard
for me to buy the "open floodgate" argument if the "ILP" fliter is
applied.</DIV>
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<DIV>Please see <A
href="http://ejil.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/4/775.full">http://ejil.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/4/775.full</A>
for a contextual enquiry into the concept of "International Legal Personality"
in the form of a 2004 publication by J. E. Nijman from the U. of Amsterdam and
review by Robert Kolb of the Université de Neuchâtel. </DIV>
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<DIV>Note the interesting link between "ILP" and "Human
Rights" - Robert Klob argues: <I>"The theory of ILP thus comes down to a theory
of human rights"</I>.</DIV>
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<DIV>Alain <BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM, klaus.stoll <SPAN
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<DIV>Greetings. I think we need to limit the possibility to an absolute
minimum, (UN + 10 max), IF ANY !, everything else will as Avri says open up
the flood gates and make the whole gTLD system unmanageable because there will
we hundreds if not thousands of exceptions and an equal number of legal
actions for those who think they deserve them.</DIV>
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<DIV>Yours</DIV>
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<DIV>Klaus</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG
href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG" target=_blank>Robin Gross</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Update on IOC/RC issue: motion proposed by NCSG for
PDP</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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I thought we were going to add "IF ANY" to the clause asking about what other
orgs deserve such rights? I worry that we are inviting a flood gate of
requests for privileges by assuming there will be others (rather than ask the
question IF there should be others first).
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<DIV>Robin<BR>
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<DIV>On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:31 AM, <A href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu"
target=_blank>Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</A> wrote:</DIV><BR>
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<DIV>Hello everyone,</DIV>
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<DIV>The NCSG Policy Committee agreed that, in view of the passage of the
motion which adopted the IOC-RC Drafting Team's recommendations for
first-round protections for the IOC and RC, the GNSO should consider
additional protections - including any that might apply to other
international governmental organizations (IGOs) who have requested similar
protections - through a full Policy Development Process (PDP) rather than
through an ad-hoc drafting team.</DIV>
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<DIV>Accordingly, we proposed a motion that will be discussed at the
upcoming GNSO Council meeting next week on Thursday 12 April.
Coincidentally, a similar (but not identical) motion was also proposed by
Thomas Rickert, the Nominating Committee appointee to the Contracted
Parties' House. Both motions can be viewed at <A
href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+12+April+2012"
target=_blank>https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+12+April+2012</A>.</DIV>
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<DIV>Between now and the Council meeting, we'll be discussing with Thomas
ways to combine both motions so that the Council need only vote on one
unified motion. Early indications are that the concept is acceptable to some
of the other Council members, so I'm hopeful that if we can successfully
fuse both motions, there is a fair chance of its passage.</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV>Mary</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#800080>Mary W S Wong</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><EM>Professor of Law</EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM>Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP</EM></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>-- <BR>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
<DIV>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <A
href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/"
target=_blank>http://www.ceci.ca</A><BR>
<DIV>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <A
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