Robin, <div><br></div><div>Thanks for the clarification and the sense of direction the NCSG needs to take. It is interesting that Portugal made the same proposal as NPOC. I think we need to engage on substantive ideas on how to go forward. The UN+9/10 may just be a acceptable outcome down the road... we just don't know. It would be interesting to dig into the Portugal proposal.<div>
<br></div><div>Alain<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Robin Gross <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I have to disagree, Adam. We need the community to engage in this issue very much. This proposal is a not a final text, but a starting point to try to reach a compromise. If it is "too late" for the community to engage, it is because the RC/IOC came so late in the game. I don't believe the bottom-up policy development process should be shoved aside because of AC/IOC's late request.<br>
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On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
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> Alain, hi.<br>
><br>
> Suggest it's a little late to be recommending such a fundamental<br>
> change to the applicant proces. Not going to fly. So let's not waste<br>
> our time on it.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Adam<br>
><br>
> Adam Peake<br>
> GLOCOM Tokyo<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Alain Berranger<br>
> <<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Dear NCSG Colleagues,<br>
>><br>
>> FYI<br>
>><br>
>> Alain<br>
>><br>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>> From: Jean-Louis Ecochard <<a href="mailto:jecochard@tnc.org">jecochard@tnc.org</a>><br>
>> Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:42 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection<br>
>> To: Alain Berranger <<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:npoc-voice@icann.org">npoc-voice@icann.org</a>"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:npoc-voice@icann.org">npoc-voice@icann.org</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Alain,<br>
>><br>
>> Merci de votre proposition.<br>
>><br>
>> One of the prime concern is the conversion of a known NGO domain name into a<br>
>> gTLD.<br>
>> This is because a domain name is an NGO brand on the internet.<br>
>> We also know that words like relief, cancer, heart, peace, nature, etc.<br>
>> cannot receive trademark protection yet they represent essential internet<br>
>> brands of the NGOs they represent.<br>
>> I believe ANY NGO with a strong internet brand presence would find it<br>
>> disastrous to see their domain name converted into a gTLD (e.g. In our case<br>
>> of <a href="http://nature.org" target="_blank">nature.org</a> seeing a .nature gTLD).<br>
>><br>
>> Henceforth I recommend we propose protection of any .org or .org.country<br>
>> domain name in active use by "Any organization operating globally in the<br>
>> public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality in the country<br>
>> where its Headquarters are located, and its members." as of January 1 2012.<br>
>> This means that ICANN would prohibit the creation of a gTLD that is the same<br>
>> as a domain name of an NGO in use 1/1/12 and active.<br>
>><br>
>> This ensures protection of the capital invested by NGOs on their brand<br>
>> presence without making it too complicated for ICANN to administer (I.e.<br>
>> Check for .org existence, check if own by NGO).<br>
>><br>
>> I welcome thoughts and discussions on this extension of Alain's suggestion.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> JL<br>
>><br>
>> be green – read on the screen<br>
>> --<br>
>> Jean-Louis Écochard<br>
>> Vice President and Chief Information Officer<br>
>><br>
>> The Nature Conservancy<br>
>> New Zealand Office<br>
>> 126D Apotu Road, RD1<br>
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>><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> "An individual without information can't take responsibility. An individual<br>
>> with information can't help but take responsibility."<br>
>> - Jan Carlzon, former President and CEO of the Scandinavian Airlines Group<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: Alain Berranger<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:06:11 -0400<br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:npoc-voice@icann.org">npoc-voice@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:npoc-voice@icann.org">npoc-voice@icann.org</a>>><br>
>> Subject: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection<br>
>><br>
>> Dear NPOC members:<br>
>><br>
>> Greetings from San José. As Acting Vice Chair, I would like to consult you<br>
>> on an important issue:<br>
>><br>
>> Context: Given the tension here on the IOC and Red Cross exemption (some of<br>
>> us call it protection) and the Drafting Committee Chair report to GNSO this<br>
>> morning - we find it wise, for the benefit of our current and future NPOC<br>
>> members, as well as the ICANN Community at large, that NPOC promotes and<br>
>> supports a) the proposal from the WG and b), in a broader manner, the<br>
>> generic extension of this protection based on avoiding the setting of a<br>
>> precedent, and based on objective and independantly verifiable criteria to<br>
>> define who or who does not qualify:<br>
>><br>
>> Proposition:<br>
>> Would receive new gTLD protection: "Any organization operating globally in<br>
>> the public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality in the<br>
>> country where its Headquarters are located, and its members."<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you for your attention to this important matter. Please respond by<br>
>> Tuesday 13 March 17:00 San José time.<br>
>><br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Alain Berranger<br>
>> --<br>
>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<br>
>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI,<br>
>> <a href="http://www.ceci.ca" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><<a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/</a>><br>
>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,<br>
>> <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><<a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">http://www.schulich.yorku.ca</a>><br>
>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,<br>
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>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation,<br>
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>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
>> O:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824" value="+15144847824">+1 514 484 7824</a>; M:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824" value="+15147047824">+1 514 704 7824</a><br>
>> Skype: alain.berranger<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<br>
>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><br>
>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, <a href="http://www.gkpfoundation.org" target="_blank">www.gkpfoundation.org</a><br>
>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, <a href="http://www.chasquinet.org" target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a><br>
>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
>> O:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824" value="+15144847824">+1 514 484 7824</a>; M:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824" value="+15147047824">+1 514 704 7824</a><br>
>> Skype: alain.berranger<br>
>><br>
><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<div>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
<div>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a></div><div>Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, <a href="http://www.gkpfoundation.org" target="_blank">www.gkpfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, <font color="#0a246a" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif"><a href="http://www.chasquinet.org" target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></font><br>interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824<br>Skype: alain.berranger<br></div></div><br>
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