Carlos, thanks for the clarification about Portugal.<div><br></div><div><div>Alain</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Alain, I am not sure Portugal made the same proposal as NPOC's. Portugal's is quite detailed and treats separately the actual case of IOC and RC, and the proposal to embed in the rules the treatment of these cases based on the characteristics of well defined types of organizations instead of going on a case by case basis.<br>
<br>
I will look for the transcript.<br>
<br>
--c.a.<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 03/13/2012 02:06 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:<br>
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Robin,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the clarification and the sense of direction the NCSG needs to<br>
take. It is interesting that Portugal made the same proposal as NPOC. I<br>
think we need to engage on substantive ideas on how to go forward. The<br>
UN+9/10 may just be a acceptable outcome down the road... we just don't<br>
know. It would be interesting to dig into the Portugal proposal.<br>
<br>
Alain<br>
<br>
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Robin Gross<<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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I have to disagree, Adam. We need the community to engage in this issue<br>
very much. This proposal is a not a final text, but a starting point to<br>
try to reach a compromise. If it is "too late" for the community to<br>
engage, it is because the RC/IOC came so late in the game. I don't believe<br>
the bottom-up policy development process should be shoved aside because of<br>
AC/IOC's late request.<br>
<br>
Robin<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Alain, hi.<br>
<br>
Suggest it's a little late to be recommending such a fundamental<br>
change to the applicant proces. Not going to fly. So let's not waste<br>
our time on it.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
<br>
Adam Peake<br>
GLOCOM Tokyo<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Alain Berranger<br>
<<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com" target="_blank">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear NCSG Colleagues,<br>
<br>
FYI<br>
<br>
Alain<br>
<br>
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From: Jean-Louis Ecochard<<a href="mailto:jecochard@tnc.org" target="_blank">jecochard@tnc.org</a>><br>
Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:42 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection<br>
To: Alain Berranger<<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com" target="_blank">alain.berranger@<u></u>gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:npoc-voice@icann.org" target="_blank">npoc-voice@icann.org</a>"<br>
<<a href="mailto:npoc-voice@icann.org" target="_blank">npoc-voice@icann.org</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
Alain,<br>
<br>
Merci de votre proposition.<br>
<br>
One of the prime concern is the conversion of a known NGO domain name<br>
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into a<br>
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gTLD.<br>
This is because a domain name is an NGO brand on the internet.<br>
We also know that words like relief, cancer, heart, peace, nature, etc.<br>
cannot receive trademark protection yet they represent essential<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
internet<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
brands of the NGOs they represent.<br>
I believe ANY NGO with a strong internet brand presence would find it<br>
disastrous to see their domain name converted into a gTLD (e.g. In our<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
case<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
of <a href="http://nature.org" target="_blank">nature.org</a> seeing a .nature gTLD).<br>
<br>
Henceforth I recommend we propose protection of any .org or<br>
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.org.country<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
domain name in active use by "Any organization operating globally in the<br>
public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality in the<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
country<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
where its Headquarters are located, and its members." as of January 1<br>
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2012.<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This means that ICANN would prohibit the creation of a gTLD that is the<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
same<br>
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as a domain name of an NGO in use 1/1/12 and active.<br>
<br>
This ensures protection of the capital invested by NGOs on their brand<br>
presence without making it too complicated for ICANN to administer (I.e.<br>
Check for .org existence, check if own by NGO).<br>
<br>
I welcome thoughts and discussions on this extension of Alain's<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
suggestion.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
JL<br>
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individual<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Group<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Alain Berranger<br>
<<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com" target="_blank">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a><<u></u>mailto:<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com" target="_blank">alain.berranger@gmail.<u></u>com</a>>><br>
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:06:11 -0400<br>
To:<<a href="mailto:npoc-voice@icann.org" target="_blank">npoc-voice@icann.org</a><<u></u>mailto:<a href="mailto:npoc-voice@icann.org" target="_blank">npoc-voice@icann.org</a>>><br>
Subject: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection<br>
<br>
Dear NPOC members:<br>
<br>
Greetings from San José. As Acting Vice Chair, I would like to consult<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
you<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
on an important issue:<br>
<br>
Context: Given the tension here on the IOC and Red Cross exemption<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
(some of<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
us call it protection) and the Drafting Committee Chair report to GNSO<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
this<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
morning - we find it wise, for the benefit of our current and future<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
NPOC<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
members, as well as the ICANN Community at large, that NPOC promotes and<br>
supports a) the proposal from the WG and b), in a broader manner, the<br>
generic extension of this protection based on avoiding the setting of a<br>
precedent, and based on objective and independantly verifiable criteria<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
to<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
define who or who does not qualify:<br>
<br>
Proposition:<br>
Would receive new gTLD protection: "Any organization operating globally<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
in<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
the public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality in the<br>
country where its Headquarters are located, and its members."<br>
<br>
Thank you for your attention to this important matter. Please respond by<br>
Tuesday 13 March 17:00 San José time.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Alain Berranger<br>
--<br>
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<br>
Member, Board of Directors, CECI,<br>
<a href="http://www.ceci.ca" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><<br>
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<a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-<u></u>ceci/team/board-of-directors/</a>><br>
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Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,<br>
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O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824<br>
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<br>
<br>
--<br>
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<br>
Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,<br>
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<a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, <a href="http://www.chasquinet.org" target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a><br>
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Skype: alain.berranger<br>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<div>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
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