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Quick note that the Whois Review Team decided that we could Never
Know all the times when someone was acting as proxy (if they did not
want us to know). I have registered domain names for clients (as an
attorney), for my mother (as a good daughter), and for numerous
noncommercial groups. All valid proxies.<br>
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What we (the Whois Review Team) thought is that proxy and privacy
services that are clearly affiliated with the registrar (e.g., you
can choose them when you go to register a domain name, such as
Domains by Proxy, a company of GoDaddy) should be a) clearly
identified, and b) clearly disclose their rules for Revealing
information, and their commitment to Relaying it too (if I am a
registrant, I want to know if there is a dispute involving my
domain).<br>
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But I am pretty certain that one size fits all is not the proper
legal answer to all disclosures under all national laws, and that
the registrars and p/p services should work this out in accordance
with their national laws. Am I right that ICANN Staff seems to be
pushing all of this into one box?<br>
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Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
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I have exchanged a few emails on the subject of the economics of
registrar's handling of whois data with the owner of
canadian-based easyDNS (he put together a whois masking feature
that is called myprivacy.ca that isn't quite a privacy-proxy
service: it's more of a whois mining/spamming protection), and he
was basically telling me that most registrars (i.e. it's in the
economic structure of the registrar game) will dump you at the
first sign of trouble, if not even before. That is, whether or not
'trouble' is legitimate (while this should be for a judge to
decide).<br>
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I opined that there was surely no problem with having a lawyer
register some domains for you if you had an agreement with him/her
specifying principal and agent, or some such, and that I was
surprised that such services were not more popular.<br>
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Anybody know if some lawyers are actively offering domain
registering proxy services "en masse"?<br>
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By the way, one should go take a look at righthaven.org's <a
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href="http://www.righthaven.com/blog/content/answers-frequently-asked-questions">FAQ</a>
(it is down at the time of this writing, but well worth the
immediate read, try entering "cache:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.righthaven.com/blog/content/answers-frequently-asked-questions">http://www.righthaven.com/blog/content/answers-frequently-asked-questions</a>"
as your google search terms), which is a hosting service that
purports to be "with a spine" i.e. they will, amongst other
things, fight the subpoenas. <br>
<br>
Nicolas<br>
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On 3/5/2012 11:28 AM, Wendy Seltzer wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I'm very concerned by item 1 (below):
We should work to see the language and to ensure that it would not
exclude the registration of names on another's behalf by an agent
committed to protecting privacy, such as an attorney.
LEA REQUEST 1: (a) If ICANN creates a Privacy/Proxy Accreditation
Service, Registrars will accept proxy/privacy registrations only
from accredited providers; (b) “Registrants using privacy/proxy
registration services will have authentic Whois information
immediately published by Registrar when registrant is found to be
violating terms of service”
Agreement in Principle: (a) Yes (b) Yes
Agreement on Language: (a) Yes (b) No
Notes/Comments
(a) Registrars will comply with commercially reasonable privacy/proxy
accreditation scheme
(b) “Reveal” or “relay” provisions will be included in a
proxy/privacy accreditation program.
(c) Further discussion needed to address
request for “publication” of underlying
data to general public, which may raise
data protection issues.
(d) Further discussion required on issues
related to escrow of underlying data,
issues related to unidentified, informal
proxy service providers, determination
that registrant is violating terms of
service
On 03/05/2012 11:13 AM, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote:
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Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,
Senior Lecturer,
Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses
Director of LLM Information Technology and Telecommunications Law
University of Strathclyde,
The Law School,
Graham Hills building,
50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA
UK
tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765">http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765</a>
Selected publications: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038">http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038</a>
Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.komaitis.org">www.komaitis.org</a><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.komaitis.org"><http://www.komaitis.org></a>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-liaison6c@gnso.icann.org">owner-liaison6c@gnso.icann.org</a> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-liaison6c@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-liaison6c@gnso.icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry
Sent: Δευτέρα, 5 Μαρτίου 2012 3:50 μμ
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:liaison6c@gnso.icann.org">liaison6c@gnso.icann.org</a>
Subject: [liaison6c] ICANN and Registrar Negotiation Team Post Summary of RAA Negotiations
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-01mar12-en.htm">http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-01mar12-en.htm</a>
1 March 2012
In advance of the Costa Rica meeting, ICANN and the Registrar Negotiation Team have prepared a summary of the negotiations<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/raa-negotiations-progress-report-01mar12-en.pdf"><http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/raa-negotiations-progress-report-01mar12-en.pdf></a> [PDF, 117 KB] on the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA). After the Board directed ICANN and the Registrars<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-28oct11-en.htm#7"><http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-28oct11-en.htm#7></a> to proceed into negotiations regarding recommendations by law enforcement<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/raa-law-enforcement-recommendations-01mar12-en.pdf"><http://www.icann.org/en/reso
urces/registrars/raa/raa-law-enforcement-recommendations-01mar12-en.p
df></a> [PDF, 111 KB] and recommendations from the GNSO, negotiations proceeded at a brisk pace, with 13 negotiation sessions held to date. There are many topics where ICANN and the Registrar Negotiation Team are close to agreement on language, and even more topics where there is agreement in principle. Because of the comprehensive nature of the amendments, it is expected that all negotiated language will be posted a
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<pre wrap="">The summary chart<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/raa-negotiations-progress-report-01mar12-en.pdf"><http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/raa-negotiations-progress-report-01mar12-en.pdf></a> [PDF, 117 KB] released today provides information on nearly all of the items that have been raised in the negotiations, and the current status of agreement on those issues.
Glen de Saint Géry
GNSO Secretariat
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://gnso.icann.org">http://gnso.icann.org</a>
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