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Indeed. I also find this constructive.<br>
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For all anglophones out there not familiar with Quebec expressions:
"dialogue de sourd" means 'deaf-men dialogue' ==> "talking past
each other". <br>
<br>
We certainly don't want that, and Alain's contribution is a good
contribution towards not getting that.<br>
<br>
I will not be there, but if I would have, I would have like to (have
beers with y'all, and) give the chance to the RC/RC people to make
their case. <br>
<br>
Nicolas<br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000">Well
stated Alain! We support your approach to this matter.<br>
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<p>Michael Carson</p>
<p>YMCA of the USA</p>
<p>NPOC Member</p>
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<b>From: </b>"Alain Berranger"
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<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, March 5, 2012 9:51:05 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: IOC/Red Cross public comments period<br>
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<div><i>KK said: May I also add that I hope we get (to) develop
a common NCSG policy on this issue.</i> </div>
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Indeed a desirable outcome - this is my personal view as are
what follows. Before we get to a different outcome than what we
currently have, we have to turn a lot of pages on both sides of
the argument, actually forget about the mud-slinging and take a
constructive open tone from now on if at all possible. I believe
than cheap shots at ICANN and the RC/IOC are not the way to win
arguments and actually make things worse. It is just divisive
and forces all to retrench on fixed positions and perpetrate
"dialogue de sourds". NCSG needs to improve its image within
ICANN.
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<div>A common NSCG Policy does not mean consensus of course - it
does mean that real debate occured and all had an opportunity
to speak. How realistic is this desirable outcome and, if it
is, how do we achieve it?
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<div> If we cannot get full consensus (likely), what is the
next best outcome for the SG to seek? That's what I would
like to contribute towards in San José... although I
recognize that it takes years to go up the ICANN learning
curve and that my expectation may not be realistic.</div>
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<div>So, it all starts in San José where the RC movement is
sending 3 NPOC members from Washington and Geneva. They must
feel welcome in order to dialogue - rather than feel rotten
tomatoes will be thrown at them during the entire meeting.
Even if it seems a majority of the NCSG members expressing
themselves disagree with their current position. </div>
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<div>So we will have an opportunity to engage F2F with these
NPOC members - understand them better and explain NCUC's
position to them. Will it be the last opportunity to do so?
Will it be a tigers' den? a tribunal even? or a mature
exchange where all feel comfortable to bring forth their
principles, arguments, concerns and constraints? I hope the
latter. </div>
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<div>By being there as NPOC members, the RC representatives
can <i>" </i><span><i> ...explain why existing
protections in new gtld policy are insufficient to
protect their interests"</i> as the NCSG Chair suggest.
I would add, it is also the opportunity for NCUC to
explain why they feel that existing protections in the new
gTLD policy are sufficient to protect their interests.</span>
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<div>I will make the point about the principle of being
"inside the NCSG tent" is best for all. I do not know if
the IOC will have representation in San José - after all
NCSG-EC has refused membership. NPOC was favorable in
welcoming IOC in its membership - we take the inclusive
route but do not intend to reopen that discussion, since
my demonstration that national IOC organizations are
non-commercial was not recognized as valid (we did agree,
I recall, that Olympic Games Organization Committees -
like the London one currently - are commercial). The
point I want to make is that, with such a position, we do
not have the opportunity to engage the IOC reps F2F inside
NCSG like we have with the RC.</div>
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<div>I can assure you that all NPOC members present in San
José have been convinced to be present because "...it is
better to advocate for ICANN policy from within..." I
recognize that this has not been the case.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I repeat that the above is my personal opinion, that my
intention is not to reopen debate on membership for IOC,
but to create the conditions in San José for a real
discussion and to come up with the NCSG statement we can
realistically hope for.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Cheers, Alain<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:42 PM,
Konstantinos Komaitis <span dir="ltr"><<a
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class="gmail_quote">May I also add that I hope we get
develop a common NCSG policy on this issue.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
KK<br>
<br>
From: Konstantinos Komaitis <<a
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:49:20 +0000<br>
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Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] IOC/Red Cross public comments
period<br>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
The public comments period concerning the special
protection for the Red Cross and Olympic terms has
now opened and can be accessed through <a
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href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/ioc-rcrc-proposal-02mar12-en.htm"
target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/ioc-rcrc-proposal-02mar12-en.htm</a><br>
<br>
As you know this is an issue which has raised and
continues to raise significant issues relating to
transparency, multistakeholder input , the role of
the GAC and its relationship with the GNSO as well
as issues relating to the expansion of existing
rights to the potential detriment of other rights
holders.<br>
<br>
May I request that everybody who has commented,
and everyone who wanted to comment, to please do
so? The timeframe is considerably strict, but at
some point there was even a suggestion to skip it!<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Konstantinos<br>
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Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
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