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    Overall issue:<br>
    <br>
    ==> Not an implementation issue. A policy issue. <== <br>
    <br>
    A substantial policy issue, including but not limited to process
    (board--gnso--gac relations). A substantial policy that require us
    to move from the particular to the general.<br>
    <br>
    (Funny thing is people that want implementation badly [thx for the
    mp3, Joy, it stops before it ends though], end up justifying this on
    the basis of a policy rationale, so let us examine the policy
    rationale. Those that say that the board has said so, so it's then
    implementation "by definition" are begging for some process
    questions to be raised. It will be even more funny when they blame
    us for stalling everything because we're process nuts, etc.)<br>
    <br>
    Who knows what I would think after a PDP and careful consideration
    of the issues? But, my preliminary thoughts are that we need a use
    test, rather than reserve lists. Inappropriate uses have appropriate
    ways to be dealt with.<br>
    <br>
    TLDs<br>
    <br>
    It would almost be comical to grant "strings ineligible for
    registration" status. But except for the irony, I wouldn't be in
    favor of that. <br>
    <br>
    Only the first round. W/r string similarity, i'll see after a Policy
    debate (except the first round, since it's already reserved, so it's
    ok I guess). <br>
    <br>
    BTW, *no one* would have tried to register those as TLDs. <br>
    <br>
    SLDs<br>
    <br>
    I guess there's no question there needs to be a PDP on that one.
    Silence spoke volumes. <br>
    <br>
    Discussing the latter part of C<br>
    <br>
    "<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">c.<span
          style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">       </span></span></span><u><span
        lang="EN-US">Assuming it can be one where the reservation is
        released</span></u><span lang="EN-US">:  What would be the
      mechanism for removing from the reserved list?" <br>
      <br>
      will be interesting</span>.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Nicolas<br>
    <br>
    On 12/14/2011 5:17 PM, Joy Liddicoat wrote:
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi all – am
            sending the documents relating to this call today which was
            an informal meeting of GNSO Councillors and other interested
            persons to discuss the issue of the IOC and Red Cross domain
            names. The meeting was a preliminary one and agreed to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="color:#1F497D">Circulate the attached information to
            our respective stakeholder groups for comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo7"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="color:#1F497D">Have a follow up call (tentatively
            scheduled for Jan 11<sup>th</sup>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo7"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="color:#1F497D">Provide a short update at the GNSO
            Council meeting tomorrow to the effect that the meeting had
            taken place so that GAC can be kept advised of progress and
            likely timeframes for response<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Your comments
            on the questions would of course be welcome, particularly
            whether this a policy issue or one of implementation of a
            Board decision. While there were different views on this it
            was agreed that further information was needed to answer
            that question and Jeff Neuman (Chair) agreed to follow that
            up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It was agreed
            that others can join the meetings (and quite a few did so).
            There was some discussion of whether, if the IOC and Red
            Cross names would otherwise succeed in an objection process,
            there was any harm in putting variations of these in the
            reserved list or including as part of a string similarity
            review. No decisions were made, but some points of view were
            exchanged. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I will
            circulate the links to the transcript of the meeting once
            this becomes available. Comments and questions would be very
            welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Joy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org">owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org">mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
                </b>Neuman, Jeff<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 14 December 2011 5:04 p.m.<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org">gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [gnso-iocrc-dt] Documents / Thoughts for
                Initial Call on Wednesday<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In advance of the call,
            I am resending around the documents sent to us by the GAC on
            their proposal with respect to the handling of IOC and Red
            Cross domain names at both the top and second levels.   In
            addition, I have attached a list of questions we can choose
            to discuss.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US">Overall Issue</span></u><span
            lang="EN-US">:  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2
          level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">a)<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">Do we believe this issue is one of
            implementation (as the GAC has interpreted), or is this an
            issue of policy?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2
          level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">b)<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">Should these marks be protected at all?  Pros
            vs. Cons?  <i>(NOTE:  This item’s discussion can take up
              the entire call, but I do not want to dwell on this given
              the number of subjects.  What I would like to do is spend
              no more than 15 minutes on this subject listing the
              arguments for and against.  Of course we will allow anyone
              to submit comments via e-mail on this subject after the
              call for evaluation).  I am not trying to suppress any
              discussion on this, but given that we spent almost all of
              the Council discussions in Dakar on this question alone
              and did not have much time to discuss the other questions,
              I want us to be able to get on to the other questions. </i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US"><o:p><span
                  style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span lang="EN-US">Top Level
                Protection<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">At the top level, the
            request is to protect the Olympic and Red Cross terms like
            the words “test” and “example” in the Applicant Guidebook
            (Section 2.2.1.2), extending those terms to multiple
            languages and receiving consideration during the String
            Similarity review.  Right now, these terms (in not every
            language) is in the section entitled “Strings Ineligible for
            Registration” and would not invoke String Similarity Review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US">Questions:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3
          level1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">a)<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US"> Should the reservation be permanent or just
            apply during the first round?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3
          level1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">b)<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">Should terms in this round and beyond receive
            consideration during string similarity review?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3
          level1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">c)<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">       </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">Should reservation in this round and beyond
            extend to additional languages? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span lang="EN-US">Second Level
                Protections<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">With respect to
            second-level names, the GAC requests that ICANN amend the
            new gTLD Registry Agreement to add a new schedule of second-</span><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">level reserved names.
            The new schedule should reserve those terms set forth in
            Schedule A attached to their proposal.    They recommend the
            identical terms be protected in the 6 UN languages with an
            “encouragement” to registries to provide additional
            languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
              lang="EN-US">Questions</span></u><u><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:normal;mso-list:l1
          level2 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">       </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">Should Olympic and/or Red Cross names be
            reserved at the second level in all new gTLDs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:normal;mso-list:l1
          level2 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">If so, what type of reserved name would this
            be?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:108.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-108.0pt;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;line-height:normal;mso-list:l1
          level3 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">                                                              
              </span>i.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                Roman"">      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">A “forbidden name” that can never be registered
            (not even by those organizations) – NOTE <i>The GAC in the
              Q&A said this is not what they want.</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:108.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-108.0pt;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;line-height:normal;mso-list:l1
          level3 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">                                                            
              </span>ii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                Roman"">      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">Like a 2 letter country code where the Registry
            Operator may also propose release of these reservations
            based on its implementation of measures to avoid confusion
            with the corresponding country codes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:108.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-108.0pt;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;line-height:normal;mso-list:l1
          level3 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">                                                           
              </span>iii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                Roman"">      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">Like a <u>Country or Territory Names,</u>
            which are initially reserved, but the reservation of
            specific country and territory names may be released to the
            extent that Registry Operator reaches agreement with the
            applicable government(s), provided, further, that Registry
            Operator may also propose release of these reservations,
            subject to review by ICANN’s Governmental Advisory Committee
            and approval by ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="mso-list:Ignore">c.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">       </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><u><span
              lang="EN-US">Assuming it can be one where the reservation
              is released</span></u><span lang="EN-US">:  What would be
            the mechanism for removing from the reserved list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Any other questions or
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            Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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