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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Maria and Nicolas, some brief comments below. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Joy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nicolas Adam<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 5 December 2011 6:11 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: NCSG Policy Principles<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Indeed, a very good initiative. The implications in gnso policy-areas of the principles we put forward should provide for very interesting discussions.<br><br>And to Maria's point, I would believe that the "open, peer-to-peer" nature of the Internet should be amongst the basic fundamental principles that drive our community's involvement in gnso policy. <br><br><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>JL: good idea: would you like to suggest some wording?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>Nicolas<br><br>On 12/3/2011 8:07 AM, Maria Farrell wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Joy, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think this is a terrific idea.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Human rights: gTLD policy should meet human rights standards, including transparency and the rule of law.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I would like to see this also mention privacy and freedom of expression. Perhaps, a reference to the specific human rights instruments we are invoking would be a way to achieve this?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>JL: Privacy and freedom of expression do seem to be 2 areas of particular importance within NCSG, agreed. The law drafter in me would shy away from a list (these usually need updating/reviewing/and add to length) but some generic wording that captured your point would surely be possible. Let us keep thinking about how, while we await comments from others. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I would also like to see something expressing our philosophical support for the open, peer to peer nature of the Internet. Though maybe this isn't strictly within the purview of GNSO policy - I'm open to correction on that, though I think it's a good way to anchor our overall view.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>JL: see above, per Nicolas’ comments and perhaps let us see what other members also think would be best way to phrase this….</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>All the best, Maria</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 1 December 2011 21:46, Joy Liddicoat <<a href="mailto:joy@apc.org">joy@apc.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear all - reflecting on my first few months as a GNSO councillor and the various NCUC and NCSG conversations it occurred, imho, that there seems to be a reasonably frequent resort to *<b>fundamental</b>* principles-type discussions from various voices in the policy discussions (domain name take downs, UDRP review, law enforcement, IPR to name a few) …. Meanwhile I was taking a fresh look at RFC 1591 and participating in a policy principles discussion on TLD policy in New Zealand that was kind of interesting and got me to thinking: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>as a new NCSG member, what do I know about the policy principles that guide the NCSG (not the principles in our various Charters, but policy principles that inform our SG policy inputs as a whole into ICANN related activities)? What are the perspectives on these and what do members think? Are there some core policy principles that we are agreed about? If so, how these could be drawn on to help guide our policy inputs in ICANN related matters (particularly as Councillors responsible for considering issues in light of diverse NCSG views)?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am may be mad for thinking about this (and I feel very gratified to be in a SG that will clearly tell me if this is so!) but I would like to initiate a dialogue about this in NCSG – even if it takes some time to work through. I am willing to take responsibility for facilitating this discussion and to, get the ball rolling, wonder if a list of policy principles for NCSG might, for example, look like this: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>NCSG prioritises the non-commercial, public interest aspects of domain name policy.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Guardianship: gTLD policy should be focused on responsibilities and service to the community.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Multi-stakeholder: gTLD policy should be determined by open multi-stakeholder processes.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Human rights: gTLD policy should meet human rights standards, including transparency and the rule of law.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Equity: parties to domain registrations (including non-commercial registrants) should be on a level playing field; domain registrations should be first come first served.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Competition and choice: gTLD policy should ensure competition and choice for non-commercial registrants and non-commercial internet users. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In case of conflict, the principle of guardianship prevails.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If necessary, we can split discussion of each of these policy principles into separate discussions on the list, but perhaps we can start here ….<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Joy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Joy Liddicoat<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Project Coordinator<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Internet Rights are Human Rights<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.apc.org" target="_blank">www.apc.org</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Tel: <a href="tel:%2B64%2021%20263%202753" target="_blank">+64 21 263 2753</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Skype id: joy.liddicoat<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Yahoo id: <a href="mailto:strategic@xtra.co.nz" target="_blank">strategic@xtra.co.nz</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>