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Thanks, KK, for your useful research.<br>
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While this clarifies some aspects of the USOC, I think at the end we
will have to find more ways than using such legal terms to clarify
the concerns under discussion.<br>
<br>
There surely are no broadly accepted definitions of "non-commercial"
and "not for profit" which we can use as an international community.
Of course there are - different!!! - legal clarifications in
different countries. We cannot just go by US legal statements -
ICANN is working in different legal contexts. <br>
<br>
As some contributors to the discussion said: We need an common sense
understanding that is widely useful - also in Cambodia I want to add
(as an example for many others). <br>
<br>
Years ago, the NCUC discussion list was almost derailed for some
time because a small, non-commercial and not-for-profit local sports
club was a member, and dominated the discussion for some time with
formalities: Yes, their club was was not-for-profit, they had a
website - but they were not in agreement that the majority of the
NCUC membership at that time was interested to discuss ICANN
"politics" and we had general Civil Society concerns: like the
effort to keep ICANN staying within the security and stability
mandate, and not to be dominated by commercial interests, and we
were concerned with freedom of expression - at that time a problem
maybe in Cambodia, but not yet in countries like the USA where at
present there is an intensive effort going on NOT to pass the SOPA
legislation, etc. <br>
<br>
To focus mainly on clear-cut legal statements - thanks to KK for
lifting these up - will not solve fundamental problems related to
what we should be and do together.<br>
<br>
<br>
Norbert Klein <br>
Phnom Penh<br>
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On 11/16/2011 05:39 PM, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Cambria","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">On the issue of the USOC, I would like to reiterate
that the USOC may be non-profit but it is certainly
non-commercial. Here is a quote from a US case: ‘</span><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
color: black;">On review of the statute and the history of
its enactment, it is apparent that <b>the primary purpose
of these provisions is to secure to the USOC the
commercial and promotional rights</b> to all
then-unencumbered uses of "Olympic" and other specified
words, marks, and symbols, see</span></span><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:
13.5pt; color: black;"> </span></span><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
color: black;">United States Olympic Committee v.
Intelicense Corp., S.A., 737 F.2d 263, 266, 222 USPQ 766,
768 (2d Cir.),</span></span><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:
13.5pt; color: black;"> </span></span><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
color: black;">cert.</span></span><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:
13.5pt; color: black;"> </span></span><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
color: black;">denied, 469 U.S. 982 (1984), but subject to
the commercial rights that existed at the time of
enactment’ (the statute referring to the protection of the
Olympic mark). This case, clearly indicates that the USOC
has commercial rights on the term Olympic and, thus, have
commercial interests deriving from the name.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span
style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span
style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;">And here is
another interesting article I came across, which in my
eyes at least makes USOC purely a commercial enterprise:</span></span>
<span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
color: black;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.21mktg.com/docs/USOC_Sign_Citi-SportsBusiness_Journal.pdf">http://www.21mktg.com/docs/USOC_Sign_Citi-SportsBusiness_Journal.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span
style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span
style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;">KK</span></span><span
style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Cambria","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Senior Lecturer,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Director of LLM Information Technology and
Telecommunications Law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">University of Strathclyde,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">The Law School,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Graham Hills building, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">UK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765">http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765</a></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Selected publications: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038">http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Bodoni MT
Condensed","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.komaitis.org">www.komaitis.org</a></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
A while ago, I started a new blog:
...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.thinking21.org/">http://www.thinking21.org/</a>
continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
Norbert Klein
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net">nhklein@gmx.net</a>
Phnom Penh / Cambodia
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