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Greetings!<br>
<br>
Good. Trust-building it is.<br>
<br>
And if hard cases usually make bad law, I would not have anyone
believe it is always so fated. <br>
<br>
Finding an appropriate definition for non-commercial entities is
going to be very difficult. But Avri is on the right track by doing
the exercise of dissecting justifications put forth (or logically
implied) for positions on the discrimination criterion. (Avri's
message is a little further down this thread, for those who like me
enjoy thunderbird's threaded sortings of emails). In this case,
justifications for [policy] positions are intertwined with
policy(/charter) interpretation, as well as with matters of facts.
It is agreeing on the status of the facts that is going to be the
most difficult, so let's right now make way with assertions about
the detention of any facts or evidences upper-handedness. <br>
<br>
I do not see why we couldn't pull it off. <br>
<br>
For the sake of discussion, let's work through what we've got. We
have the beginning of an agreement in the extreme cases that should
or shouldn't be allowed . Which means we probably have some sort of
common understanding of the ideas and principles that the charter
requirements are trying to accomplish.<br>
<br>
We can think of some other cases too, real or imagined, that would
help us narrow down the confines of the grey area between what
should be considered commercial and non, in the context of gNSO
policy making.<br>
<br>
I think, writing the rules on a blank canvas, one would certainly
have to try to protect the balance of power and *interests* (these
are expressed in *perspectives*, but I will come back to this)
between both Houses. Each SG owes to itself, as well as to the whole
NSO, and also to the whole of ICANN for that matter, the obligation
to protect itself from *capture*. Policy capture brings
dysfunctional legitimacy which threatens the very shaky foundations
on which ICANN dwells. <br>
<br>
I therefore submit that in drafting and interpreting the
*non-commercial* requirements, in a NSO that has its dividing lines
along just this distinction, then we should be very aware that orgs
come and go, that some can be created just to fit the requirements,
that some may be capturists in disguise, and so on and so forth.<br>
<br>
Going back to the points (a little further up the thread) made by
Evan, the ALAC liaison, on whether or not policy perspective has,
should have, or could have an appropriate role to play in such a
discriminating scheme. In principle, most working sets of political
groupings form around *both* 1) a recognized set of functionally
equivalent entities AND 2) an admitted *perspective* on (good)
policy positions in a policy area or set of policy areas. Think
political parties. So, on the merits, it is in no way objectively
undemocratic nor otherwise reprehensible to discriminate on the
basis of some article of political faith of a given grouping. Could
be basic human rights, could be anything. <br>
<br>
Now we may not want to bring policy differences as a discriminating
factor in the context of already existing ICANN political structure.
Surely, a time will come when the CSG will face participation from
(functionally equivalent) commercial entities with different classes
of interest, possibly colliding. Think last AT&T merger attempt.
And it would certainly be unfair to deny the waters of the NCSG
harbor to any trademark-loving academics on the basis that their
policy positions are aligned with those of the CSG. <br>
<br>
But let us not kid ourselves, Evan, and act offended when policy
perspectives are (most naturally, inaesthetical as you may think
this be) used in our natural processes of raising the capture flag.
<br>
<br>
In any case and back to our definition/interpretation problem, and
solely from the perspective of preventing non-commercial capture by
commercial interest, which should not be the sole axis of framing
and debate but nevertheless is a major and legitimate one, I would
say that we would need to, in principle :<br>
<br>
A- discriminate against orgs that have commercial membership
(downstream)<br>
<br>
B- discriminate against orgs that are members of commercial orgs
(upstream)<br>
<br>
C- discriminate against orgs that are dependent upon commercial
benedictions to exist or fulfill their mission/values/roles <br>
<br>
[especially so if those benedictions are within the policy areas
delt with in gNSO and ICANN: e.g. an org has to obtain licensing
rights from an commercial organisations in order to perform its
functions ― and licensing rights are a policy area dealt in ICANN ―
than this org, although non-commercial in itself by all measure,
should be discriminated against on the basis that it is most likely
representing the interest of an org that wouldn't otherwise have
NCSG standing.<br>
<br>
D-specify the degree and the side to which NCSG will be prone to err
on. Should members have a low threshold to meet in order to
successfully oppose prospective orgs in a context where the EC
should accept most everyone? that could be one way of working this
out. Or it could be as it is now, with the possibility for the EC to
err on the side of fear of caprture, and then let the members duke
it out. <br>
<br>
E- possibly discriminate against orgs that would present a apparent
conflict of interest with regard the commercial/non-commercial
divide [consensus on the details would be hard to pull]<br>
<br>
##########<br>
<br>
In the mean time:<br>
<br>
The "commercial focus" language is an acceptable ersatz in the
absence of a more thorough definition. It gives leaway to our
representatives to make decisions and leaves the final appreciation
to the members, who can file appeals. But I think we could work on
collecting the different things that we can all agree on that should
in principle direct our search for a proper "non-commercial"
definition.<br>
<br>
So, although I consider your (Alain) reaction good, that is coming
up on the list and dissagreeing, let's just take this one a little
slower (like starting a new thread would be a good idea) and work
both in the abstract and with this USOC case, if enough people are
interested, and see if we can come up with something more precise.
That is, of course, if it is relevant at all in the sense that the
charter may be amended (the ignorance of which I shamelessly admit
... should have thought of that before writing all this).<br>
<br>
<br>
Nicolas, off to bed<br>
<br>
On 11/15/2011 5:55 PM, Alain Berranger wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CANgs+SueQZSzMyZNnc8VDX9Kw9UQJS=2qgn=cfdjhLTKyj3b0Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Greetings Nicolas,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I generally buy the Chambers of Commerce arguments... NPOC is
not submitting any Chamber of Commerce membership application...
for the USOC case please refer to the stream of emails and we
can exchange further, if you wish.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Generally I think Avri's criteria of assessing what are the
main activities of an organization applying for membership is
excellent. So in reference to the London games, NPOC would
support an application by the UK Olympic Committee but not by
the London olympic games organizing committee (See the
distinction in Kelly's email response to Avri).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alain<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:08 PM,
Nicolas Adam <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nickolas.adam@gmail.com">nickolas.adam@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> catching up on a lot
of discussion folks. This debate may be more advance now
than I am aware of.<br>
<br>
Alain,<br>
<br>
Don't make this about "being" or "not being" a
*non-profit*. It is about being or not being
*non-commercial*. Non-profit and non-commercial are
objectivaly distinctive. one of the distinction we chose
to make was about the commercial status of the org members
themselves, which is a very objective way to discriminate.
<br>
<br>
Tell me straight please, would you have wanted to draft
rules that would have enabled Chambers of Commerce to
apply for and receive NCSG membership? This is a
trust-building or trust-breaking question as far as i'm
concern. And a fundamental one at that.<br>
<br>
Also, why isn't the org in question interested in joining
the CSG?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Nicolas</font></span>
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 14/11/2011 2:27 PM, Alain Berranger wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Thanks Kelly for putting
evidence of USOC's not-for-profit status squarely on
the table. It is now hoped that the NCSG-Executive
Committee opponents to USOC's membership will change
their minds and rally to the NPOC-Executive
Committee's recommendation. Kudos to Avri for her
mature and transparent attitude!
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>I sincerely hope future discussions about
pending and new NPOC members will be based solely
on evidence, ie. facts verifiable by an
independant and uninterested third party. Let it
be clear, once again, that the NPOC Constituency
will accept only non-commercial members, thus
facilitating the work of the NCSG-Executive
Committee on admission to the Stakeholders' Group.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best, Alain</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at
12:07 PM, Kelly Maser <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Kelly.Maser@usoc.org"
target="_blank">Kelly.Maser@usoc.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thank
you to Alain for speaking up to
discuss why the U.S. Olympic Committee
is truly a non-profit entity. The
USOC and its predecessor organizations
have been responsible for overseeing
amateur sports in this country, not
just at the elite level but also
encouraging sports, healthy
lifestyles, competition and fair play
at the grassroots levels as well. The
USOC has many member organizations,
some of which are community-based
organizations such as the YMCA or
Boys and Girls Clubs of America, the
Girl Scouts, etc. But the primary
members are the National Governing
Bodies (“NGBs”) for the individual
sports (<i>e.g., </i>USA Track &
Field, USA Swimming, U.S. Ski and
Snowboard Association, U.S. Figure
Skating, U.S. Tennis Association).
The majority of the USOC’s budget goes
to support athletes, either through
direct grants or through funding the
NGBs. The USOC also provides support
to the NGBs (and their athletes) in
terms of governance support, coaching
assistance, sports medicine, sports
psychology and the like. The USOC
also operates three U.S. Olympic
Training Centers where thousands of
athletes train each year. Here are a
few statistics for you: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">For <span
style="color:black">example, from
2002-2010, these fees were used to
assist the USOC
in: </span></span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">(a)
annually hosting approximately 25,000
athletes, coaches, officials and
program staff for the National
Governing Bodies (“NGBs”) for the
individual Olympic sports at its three
Olympic training centers (located in
Chula Vista, California, Colorado
Springs, Colorado and Lake Placid, New
York) and at its U.S. Olympic
Education Center in Marquette,
Michigan, at a cost of $360 million
over that
period;
</span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">(b)
providing support to and sending elite
U.S. athletes and teams to national
and international competitions, most
notably the Olympic Games, at a cost
of $80 million;</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">(c)
<span style="color:black">
working with local communities and
19 different NGBs on behalf of the
Community Olympic Development
Programs in Atlanta, Georgia;
Chicago, Illinois; Springfield,
Missouri; Moorestown, New Jersey;
San Antonio, Texas; Verona,
Wisconsin; and Park City and Kearns,
Utah;</span>
</span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">(<span
style="color:black">d)
directing over $160 million in
grants and services to athletes,
including monetary stipends, health
services and benefits, educational
grants, and more;</span></span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">(e)
providing additional support to 47
different National Governing Bodies in
the form of NGB Programs and Services
including sport performance, coaching
assistance, sports medicine, sports
science and organizational support, at
a cost of $235 million; and</span></p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">(f)
funding the USOC’s many other
statutory functions.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Please
let me know if there are other
questions that I could help answer.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sincerely,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Kelly</span><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#425DA1"></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#425DA1"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#425DA1">Kelly
Maser </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:gray">| Associate
General Counsel|</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#425DA1">United
States Olympic Committee</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:gray">|</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:gray"> </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#425DA1">Office</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:gray">:
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target="_blank">719.866.4115</a>
|</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
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style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#425DA1">Cell</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:gray">:
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target="_blank">kelly.maser@usoc.org</a></span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:gray"> |</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:gray"> </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#425DA1"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.teamusa.org"
target="_blank">www.teamusa.org</a></span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:owner-npoc-voice@icann.org"
target="_blank">owner-npoc-voice@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:owner-npoc-voice@icann.org"
target="_blank">owner-npoc-voice@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alain Berranger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 12,
2011 3:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Avri Doria<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:npoc-voice@icann.org"
target="_blank">npoc-voice@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [npoc-voice] Re:
[NCSG-Discuss] Notes from NCSG-EC
Teleconference on 8 November 2011</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thks Avri,</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have no
appetite for minority appeal that
I cannot hope to win under current
membership mindset, sense of
entitlement, grand-fathering,
numbers and distribution... but
NPOC colleagues may decide
differently.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think we need
in general to follow
evidence-based membership criteria
and follow the same criteria for
all. So my 4 arguments remain as
far as I am concerned and can be
verified by evidence (facts) not
opinion, hearsay, bias, etc...</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Different
strokes for different folks? For
instance, how can we have
NCUC/NCSG individual members
working for a law firm or a
telecom company? but we do. The
NPOC membership is clear: all are
not-for-profit and only play one
side of the street. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To the risk of
repeating myself, national olympic
committees are not-for-profits
working year in and year out for
athletes and not to be confused
with the games organizing
committees which are for profit
(or at least not for loss) once in
a blue moon when the country is
awarded the games...</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">For
instance re London 2012: one needs
to distingush between the games
organizers - <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.london2012.com/"
target="_blank">http://www.london2012.<b>com</b>/</a> which
is for profit and get sponsors to
support the 2012 games and the UK
Olympic committee which every year
supports UK athletes and get
sponsors to support athletes- <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.olympics.org.uk/"
target="_blank">http://www.olympics.<b>org</b>.uk/</a><br>
<br>
Alain</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Nov
12, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Avri Doria
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:avri@acm.org"
target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
<br>
Assuming there are 14 members
who agree with your position,
the charter has provision for an
appeal process that includes the
possibility of taking it to a
full membership vote if the
difference of opinion cannot be
resolved.<br>
<br>
> 1. Any decision of the
NCSG-EC can be appealed by
requesting a full vote of the
NCSG membership. There are
several ways in which an appeal
can be initiated:<br>
><br>
> · If 15 NCSG members,
consisting of both
organizational and individual
members, request such an appeal
the NCSG Executive Committee
will first take the appeal under
consideration.<br>
><br>
> · If, after
consideration of any
documentation provided by those
making the appeal, the NCSG‑EC
does not reverse its decision,
the NCSG‑EC and those making the
appeal should attempt to
negotiate a mutually agreeable
solution.<br>
><br>
> · If the NCSG‑EC and
those making the appeal cannot
reach a mutually acceptable
agreement on the decision within
30 days, then an NCSG vote will
be scheduled as soon as
practicable.<br>
><br>
> · For this type of
appeal to succeed 60% of all of
the NCSG members must approve of
the appeal in a full membership
vote as defined in section 4.0.<br>
<br>
<br>
Some comments below.</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On 12 Nov 2011, at 15:16,
Alain Berranger wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear Colleagues,<br>
><br>
> I want to state I
disagree with the decision to
exclude the USOC. For 4
reasons:<br>
><br>
> 1) Its vision: to enable
America's athletes to realize
their Olympic and Paralympic
dreams.</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">That is its
vision, but it is debatable that
is main purpose is to administer
commercial licensing agreement.
Or at least this seems to be
the resumption of those who
voted against their membership.<br>
<br>
The charter indicates:<br>
"3. Is engaged in online
activities that are primarily
noncommercial, including, e.g.,
advocacy, educational,
religious, human rights,
charitable, scientific and
artistic, and"<br>
<br>
So the question is, what are its
primary activities, granting
licenses or supporting athletes.
I have certainly heard
arguments on both sides of this
issue, and personally think it
is a toss up. For example, it
is well known that most
olympians have to find their own
funding in the US. This varies
by country, but in the US, the
US Olympic Committee does not
support athletes as far as I
have been able to discover. So
what do they do beyond sanction
events and licensing?</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
<br>
> 2) its mission: To
support U.S. Olympic and
Paralympic athletes in
achieving sustained
competitive excellence and
preserve the Olympic ideals,
and thereby inspire all
Americans.<br>
><br>
> 3) It is a not-for-profit
with IRS exemption under 501 c
3</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">As the
charter indicates, being
not-for-profit is not
sufficient. For example the
Chamber of Commerce in
not-for-profit and yet obviously
not a non-commercial entity.
Specifically:<br>
<br>
"4. In the case of a
membership-based organization,
the organization should not only
be noncommercial itself, but
should have a primarily
noncommercial focus, and the
membership should also be
primarily composed of
noncommercial members. (E.g., a
chamber of commerce, though it
may be a noncommercial
organization itself, and might
even have some noncommercial
members, is primarily composed
of commercial organizations and
has a commercial focus and would
not be eligible for
membership.)"<br>
<br>
So the question becomes, who are
the principles members? I do
not know the answer to this.<br>
<span style="color:#888888"><br>
<span>avri</span></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
><br>
> 4) fundraising is an
activity of all
not-for-profits, including
sponsoring, and thus does
not make a not-for-profit a
commercial organization. I
think you are confusing the
USOC per se with the various
olympic games hosting
organizations set up for
Lake Placid, Los Angeles
games, etc...<br>
><br>
> Alain<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at
6:11 PM, Robin Gross <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"
target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
> The new NCSG Executive
Committee held its first
tele-conference on Tuesday
and we made great progress,
particularly with respect to
establishing a process for
handling NCSG membership
applications and dealing
with the NPOC applications
that had come in since the
election. So below are my
notes from the EC meeting's
discussion.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Robin<br>
><br>
> NCSG-EC Teleconference
- 8 Nov. 2011<br>
> Transcript & mp3
recording: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Meetings"
target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Meetings</a><br>
> Attendance: Michael
Carson, Rafik Dammak, Robin
Gross, Milton Mueller, Klaus
Stoll<br>
> NCSG-EC Mtg Discussion
Agenda:<br>
><br>
> - Review of NCSG
membership application
procedures<br>
><br>
> - Review of pending
NCSG membership applications<br>
><br>
> - Establishment of NCSG
Financial Committee<br>
><br>
>
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><br>
> MEETING NOTES:<br>
><br>
> These 8 orgs were
approved for NCSG
membership:<br>
> ALSAC / St. Jude<br>
> Australian RedCross
Society<br>
> Church of God in Christ<br>
> Goodwill Industries<br>
> International
Baccalaureate Organization<br>
> The Association of
NGOs, The Gambia (TANGO)<br>
> Water Environment
Research Foundation<br>
> YMCA of The Gambia<br>
><br>
> These 3 orgs were
determined ineligible for
NCSG membership:<br>
> 1. Kaswesha
Community Resource Center<br>
> Reason provided for
non-approval: Not the
exclusive user of at least
one domain name (a
requirement for eligibility
under NCSG Charter Section
2.2.1).<br>
> They were invited to
re-apply when they have a
noncommercial domain name.<br>
><br>
> 2. Civil Society
Movement Against
Tuberculosis in Sierre Leone
(CISMAT-SL)<br>
> Reason provided for
non-approval: Not the
exclusive user of at least
one domain name (a
requirement for eligibility
under NCSG Charter Section
2.2.1).<br>
> They were invited to
re-apply when they have a
noncommercial domain name.<br>
><br>
> 3. US Olympic
Committee:<br>
> Reason provided for
non-approval: USOC is
substantially a major sports
licensing business and NCSG
is devoted to the protection
of noncommercial interests.<br>
> They were invited to
join ICANN's Intellectual
Property Constituency as the
more appropriate place to
protect their interests.<br>
><br>
> These 7 orgs are
undergoing further
evaluation:<br>
> Child Protection
Alliance<br>
> Information Technology
Association of the Gambia<br>
> National Coalition for
the Homeless<br>
> National Grange of the
Order of Patrons of
Husbandry<br>
> Pilots N Paws<br>
> Tranquil Space
Foundation<br>
> Young Life<br>
><br>
><br>
> ** Attached to this
email is a flow chart to
explain the agreed process
for handling NCSG Membership
Applications going forward.<br>
><br>
> A few notes on the
procedures for handling NCSG
Membership Applications:<br>
><br>
> Completed NCSG
Membership applications
should be submitted by the
Applicant to the email
address <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:join-ncsg@ipjustice.org"
target="_blank">join-ncsg@ipjustice.org</a>
for consideration by the
entire NCSG Executive
Committee.<br>
><br>
> NCSG-NCUC Membership
application forms are
available on the NCSG wiki
(for individuals and for
organizations).<br>
><br>
> Members of the NCSG-EC
have 2 weeks to conduct the
required due diligence on
the applications (more
flexible if a holiday).<br>
><br>
> Decisions to approve
membership applications
require the full consensus
of the voting members of the
NCSG Executive Committee
(NCSG Charter 2.4.2).<br>
><br>
> Verification of a named
official representative's
authority to represent an
organizational applicant
should be independently
verified by the EC (NSCG
Charter 2.2.4.1).<br>
><br>
> Aggregate voting /
representation is not
permitted for organizations.
Each organization must be
represented by a different
person. No single person
(or group of persons, i.e.,
a law firm) can represent
two or more organizations in
NCSG at the same time. This
policy discourages attempts
to game the system through
aggregating membership
votes.<br>
><br>
> Organizations with a
nonprofit legal structure
are nonetheless ineligible
for membership in NCSG if
they are substantially a
commercial or business
activity and their interests
are more appropriately
represented in one of the
commercial stakeholder
groups (NCSG Charter 2.2.2).<br>
><br>
> An organization's
official representative to
NCSG cannot be a GNSO
Council Representative for
the Intellectual Property
Constituency (or other
officer or member of the IPC
or CSG). Outside trademark
lawyers are discouraged as
the official representative
for an org to NCSG since
NCSG is devoted to
protecting noncommercial
interests.<br>
><br>
> ON A SEPARATE ISSUE:<br>
> The EC is in the
process of establishing a
NCSG Financial Committee (as
per NCSG Charter 2.1. &
2.6.) and is looking for
volunteers from among the
NCSG membership - people
with fundraising expertise
and time to devote to NCSG
fundraising activities and
ICANN resource allocations.
So please let an EC member
know if you'd like to be
considered for membership on
the NCSG Financial
Committee. Thank you!<br>
> --------------------<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> IP JUSTICE<br>
> Robin Gross, Executive
Director<br>
> 1192 Haight Street, San
Francisco, CA 94117 USA<br>
> p: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1-415-553-6261"
target="_blank">+1-415-553-6261</a>
f: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1-415-462-6451"
target="_blank">
+1-415-462-6451</a><br>
> w: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ipjustice.org"
target="_blank">http://www.ipjustice.org</a>
e: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"
target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng,
MBA<br>
> Member, Board of
Directors, CECI, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ceci.ca"
target="_blank">
http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
> Executive-in-residence,
Schulich School of Business,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca"
target="_blank">
www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><br>
> NA representative,
Chasquinet Foundation, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.chasquinet.org"
target="_blank">
www.chasquinet.org</a><br>
> interim Vice Chair,
NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://npoc.org/"
target="_blank">
http://npoc.org/</a><br>
> O:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824"
target="_blank">+1 514 484
7824</a>; M:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824"
target="_blank">+1 514 704
7824</a><br>
> Skype: alain.berranger<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Member, Board
of Directors, CECI, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/"
target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Executive-in-residence,
Schulich School of Business, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca"
target="_blank">
www.schulich.yorku.ca</a></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">NA
representative, Chasquinet
Foundation, <span
style="font-family:"Times","serif";color:#0A246A">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.chasquinet.org"
target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></span><br>
interim Vice Chair, NPOC,
NCSG, ICANN, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://npoc.org/"
target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
O:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824"
value="+15144847824"
target="_blank">+1 514 484
7824</a>; M:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824"
value="+15147047824"
target="_blank">+1 514 704
7824</a><br>
Skype: alain.berranger</p>
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-- <br>
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
<div>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/"
target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
<div>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of
Business, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca"
target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a></div>
<div>NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, <font
color="#0a246a" face="'Times New Roman',
Times, serif"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.chasquinet.org"
target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></font><br>
interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
O:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824"
value="+15144847824" target="_blank">+1 514
484 7824</a>; M:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824"
value="+15147047824" target="_blank">+1 514
704 7824</a><br>
Skype: alain.berranger<br>
</div>
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-- <br>
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
<div>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/"
target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
<div>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca"
target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a></div>
<div>NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, <font
color="#0a246a" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.chasquinet.org"
target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></font><br>
interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://npoc.org/"
target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824<br>
Skype: alain.berranger<br>
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