Tamir,<div><br></div><div>no objection at all... as an applied research grantmaking practitioner in the past, as well as a retired evaluation consultant for international development agencies, I have seen the benefits of assessments being made on the basis of facts (or evidence if you prefer) which I define as objectively verifiable by an independant and uninterested third party. I suggest that norm be followed for admitting members into our constituencies and stakeholders' group.<br>
<br>Alain<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Tamir Israel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tisrael@cippic.ca">tisrael@cippic.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy">Hi there,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy">I just wanted to clarify if you’re
objection is to <u></u>at<u></u>tempts <u></u>at<u></u> assessing ‘real non-commercial’ in
general, or to specific line-drawing with respect to one applic<u></u>at<u></u>ion (Olympic committee). If the objective is to
ensure true represent<u></u>at<u></u>ion of
non-commercial interests, legal (or .org) non-profit st<u></u>at<u></u>us
is not enough, I think. It would be far too easy to game, as any commercial
interest can quite easily set up a non-profit wing. In fact, it’s fairly common
practice for industry or business groups to set up non-profits precisely for
the purpose of advancing commercial interests. I can think of many examples.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy">The legal criteria for ‘non-profit’
rel<u></u>at<u></u>e to financial structuring, not
to ‘interests advanced’. There do not appear to be any requirements
for .org registr<u></u>at<u></u>ion. Given this, I
think it is incumbent upon NCSG to do some sort of assessment to ensure th<u></u>at<u></u> it remains represent<u></u>at<u></u>ive
of non-commercial interests.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy">Tamir</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
NCSG-Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Alain Berranger<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> November 13, 2011 12:23 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Question about NCUC
faq rel<u></u>at<u></u>ing to membership</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Meanwhile, I think we can only be taken seriously inside and outside
ICANN and do meaningful work, if we have hundred more if not thousands of NGO/NFP
members... so arguing about this NGO or this NFP being a "real
non-commercial" seems counterproductive to me!... You will surely agree
with me th<u></u>at<u></u> academics support
evidence-based decisions and the definition of an NGO/NFP is not rocket science
neither...<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<div>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
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