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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Hi Alain,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Thank you again for clarifying. I think you
are absolutely correct th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> an
objective approach to these assessments is important and taking the
hypothetical perspective of an independent third party assessor is helpful. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>The disagreement appears to be whether
this has been applied or not in the case of one applicant. I don’t think
it is p<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ently unreasonable to say
th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> an Olympic committee, th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> is closely partnered with many commercial
entities, and is closely affili<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ed
in interest with such entities will not be primarily non-commercial in its
focus. But I will admit I am not as familiar with the nuances of this applic<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion as some.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Also I do highly value multi-stakeholder
processes but have not seen the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Clinton</st1:place></st1:City>
speech you refer too.. Will certainly track down : )<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Tamir <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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Alain Berranger [mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> November 14, 2011 3:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tamir Israel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Question about NCUC
faq rel<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ing to membership</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Tamir,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I agree with you. Let me
clarify th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> I'm not advoc<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ing for third party involvement, just suggesting
the internal membership admission group uses an evidence-based approach (with
no need to go to a third party); just apply the criteria in such a way th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> a third party would objectively arrive <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> the same conclusion/ decision about membership...
maybe too idealistic?.. but evalu<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ors
do use this approach...<br>
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Cheers, Alain<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 <st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> 3:33
PM, Tamir <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>
<<a href="mailto:tisrael@cippic.ca">tisrael@cippic.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Hi Alain,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Thanks for the inform<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion,
I will make sure to do my homework!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>I suppose my thinking is th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>
a.) viewing the number of emails this list gener<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>es
on a daily basis, dialogue does ot seem to have broken down (many of these
appear to be from you/responses to concerns raised by you) and b.) imposing
external oversight over membership decisions of a stakeholder group such as
this raises, in my eyes, more issues than it resolves.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Best regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Tamir</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Alain Berranger
[mailto:<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com" target="_blank">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>]
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> November 14, 2011 3:25 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tamir Israel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Question about NCUC
faq rel<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ing to membership</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Tamir,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>interesting!...Thanks
for sharing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>BTW, no apologies
needed... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I understand the
appeal fe<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ure...right now the
balance of power within NCSG would make it ineffective. Appealing or using
ombdusman should be a last resort when dialogue has broken down. Much more
deesirable to look <st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> the facts,
most often then, the decision becomes obvious.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think an organiz<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion interested in ICANN can choose to join the
Constituency th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> makes the most
sense for th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> organiz<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion... and use the St<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ement
of Interest (SOI) to be transparent about secondary interests or apparent
conflicts of interest... Where I have a concern is when those "other"
interests are not declared <st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> all...
and/or th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> SOIs are not
available... It always raise the issue if this is as a result of neglect or by
design... neither options are much desirable!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Indeed, all this
is needed to keep ICANN a true multi-stakeholder organiz<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion.
Bill Clinton, like him or not, made th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>
very clear <st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> his <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">San Francisco</st1:place></st1:City> address during ICANN 40. His
text should be required reading for all new comers to ICANN and a good
refresher for all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers, Alain<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Mon, Nov 14,
2011 <st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> 3:05 PM, Tamir <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> <<a
href="mailto:tisrael@cippic.ca" target="_blank">tisrael@cippic.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Hi Alain,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Thank you for clarifying this for me. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>I apologize if I am merely rehashing m<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ters
th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> have already been addressed (I
am somewh<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> new to the list). From
wh<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> I understand, it is fairly
common for groups such as this to assess membership internally with an appeal
process. Th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> appears to be the
practice for other constituency groups: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'><a href="http://www.ipconstituency.org/join-the-ipc/"
target="_blank">http://www.ipconstituency.org/join-the-ipc/</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'><a href="http://www.ipconstituency.org/bylaws/" target="_blank">http://www.ipconstituency.org/bylaws/</a>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'><a href="http://www.bizconst.org/responsibilities.htm"
target="_blank">http://www.bizconst.org/responsibilities.htm</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'><a href="http://www.bizconst.org/charter.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bizconst.org/charter.htm</a>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>I think this is to some extent unavoidable. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>I note with some amusement th<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>
my own legal clinic (CIPPIC) would likely qualify for both the IP and the Bus constituencies,
given a very narrow interpret<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion,
because, while we advoc<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>e in the
public interest, we are composed of copyright lawyers and do on occasion
consult with for-profit e-commerce organiz<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ions
where this will further the public interest. However, were we to do so, I think
it would pose serious challenges for a multi-stakeholder model such as th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> ICANN aspires to.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Best regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Tamir</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Alain Berranger
[mailto:<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com" target="_blank">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>]
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> November 14, 2011 2:36 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tamir Israel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Question about NCUC
faq rel<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ing to membership</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tamir,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>no objection <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> all... as an applied research grantmaking
practitioner in the past, as well as a retired evalu<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion
consultant for intern<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ional
development agencies, I have seen the benefits of assessments being made on the
basis of facts (or evidence if you prefer) which I define as objectively
verifiable by an independant and uninterested third party. I suggest th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> norm be followed for admitting members into our
constituencies and stakeholders' group.<br>
<br>
Alain<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Mon, Nov 14,
2011 <st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> 2:03 PM, Tamir <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> <<a
href="mailto:tisrael@cippic.ca" target="_blank">tisrael@cippic.ca</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>Hi there,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'>I just wanted to clarify if you’re objection is to <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>tempts <st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>
assessing ‘real non-commercial’ in general, or to specific
line-drawing with respect to one applic<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion
(Olympic committee). If the objective is to ensure true represent<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion of non-commercial interests, legal (or .org)
non-profit st<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>us is not enough, I
think. It would be far too easy to game, as any commercial interest can quite
easily set up a non-profit wing. In fact, it’s fairly common practice for
industry or business groups to set up non-profits precisely for the purpose of
advancing commercial interests. I can think of many examples.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>The legal criteria for ‘non-profit’
rel<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>e to financial structuring, not
to ‘interests advanced’. There do not appear to be any requirements
for .org registr<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion. Given this, I
think it is incumbent upon NCSG to do some sort of assessment to ensure th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> it remains represent<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ive
of non-commercial interests.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Best,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy'>Tamir</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:<a
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alain Berranger<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> November 13, 2011 12:23 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Question about NCUC
faq rel<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ing to membership</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Meanwhile, I think
we can only be taken seriously inside and outside ICANN and do meaningful work,
if we have hundred more if not thousands of NGO/NFP members... so arguing about
this NGO or this NFP being a "real non-commercial" seems
counterproductive to me!... You will surely agree with me th<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName> academics support evidence-based decisions and
the definition of an NGO/NFP is not rocket science neither...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- <br>
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Member, Board of
Directors, CECI, <a
href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Executive-in-residence,
Schulich School of Business, <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca"
target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>NA represent<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ive, Chasquinet Found<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion,
<font color="#0a246a"><span style='color:#0A246A'><a
href="http://www.chasquinet.org" target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></span></font><br>
interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/"
target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
O:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824" target="_blank" value="+15144847824">+1
514 484 7824</a>; M:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824" target="_blank"
value="+15147047824">+1 514 704 7824</a><br>
Skype: alain.berranger<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- <br>
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Member, Board of
Directors, CECI, <a
href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Executive-in-residence,
Schulich School of Business, <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca"
target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>NA represent<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ive, Chasquinet Found<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion,
<font color="#0a246a"><span style='color:#0A246A'><a
href="http://www.chasquinet.org" target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></span></font><br>
interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/"
target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
O:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824" target="_blank" value="+15144847824">+1
514 484 7824</a>; M:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824" target="_blank"
value="+15147047824">+1 514 704 7824</a><br>
Skype: alain.berranger<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-- <br>
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a
href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <a
href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>NA represent<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ive,
Chasquinet Found<st1:PersonName w:st="on">at</st1:PersonName>ion, </span></font><font
color="#0a246a" face=serif><span style='font-family:serif;color:#0A246A'><a
href="http://www.chasquinet.org" target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></span></font><br>
interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/"
target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824<br>
Skype: alain.berranger<o:p></o:p></p>
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