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And to add to all your concerns (and on a lighter note),<br>
<br>
please note that if "NPOC leadership" is successful in getting the
right for the same external (legal) representative to represent many
member-orgs in NCSG, the balance of power would fall squarely into
*my* hands:<br>
<br>
Debbie's 24 votes + Amber's 44 votes + the 32 already sympathizing,
gives ME the balance of power. <br>
<br>
Food for thought ;)<br>
<br>
"<span class="st"><i><em>What are we</em> going to do tomorrow
night? <br>
The same thing <em>we</em> do every night, we <em>try to take
over the world</em>!</i>"</span><br>
<br>
<br>
Nicolas, <br>
<br>
PS. I believe I could find many, many persons willing to have me
represent them in NCSG. AND they would answer their emails and
confirm that I am still their chosen representative at random
intervals and at a moment's notice without flinching. You can see
that this is past ridiculous and going nowhere fast. ....<br>
<br>
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To add to your concerns, if you check what is supposed to be the NPOC mailing list, you find that this letter has not been discussed, or even posted on their membership list.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/npoc-voice/">http://forum.icann.org/lists/npoc-voice/</a>
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From: NCSG-Discuss [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>] On Behalf
Of Timothe Litt
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:34 AM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Provisional election Results
Thanks for providing the results, and for all your efforts in organizing the
election.
I'm certainly disappointed to see the NPOC appeal - and having reviewed the
posted material, am particularly disappointed to see it signed only "NPOC
Leadership". I suppose we can assume that
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:NONPROFITICANN@usa.redcross.org">"NONPROFITICANN@usa.redcross.org"</a>
implies one of the organizations... but it seems rather unprofessional that
"NPOC leadership" didn't sign their names and organizations, nor provide any
data as to how many of the NPOC members (or candidate members) support
these
objections, nor copy their correspondence to this list. I thought that both
transparency and free expression were key values of this group.
While I certainly expect differences of opinion on some policy matters, the
entire non-commercial community is a disadvantaged minority in the ICANN
world with many common issues and concerns that differ from those of the
commercial (and better funded) majorities. Fighting among ourselves and
asking external parties to intervene on one side or another only makes us
appear weaker and less relevant. As Ben Franklin said in 1776, "We must all
hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
I hope that NPOC leadership (whoever it is) and our new leadership will be
able to establish a relationship of mutual respect and trust that enables
the community to advance a common agenda where possible, and where it is
not, to differ non-destructively.
With respect to the issues raised in the appeal: since NPOC and the EC are
at odds, they should be discussed here (and if necessary in a real-time
webmeeting or teleconference). If this does not resolve the issues and
there is sufficient support, the 'appeal to the membership' provisions of
the charter can be invoked. But I'm naïve enough to believe that reasonable
people of good will can sort this out without such a heavyweight process.
Certainly a circular firing squad will only benefit other interests...
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if any, on the matters discussed.
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From: NCSG-Discuss [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>] On Behalf
Of Avri
Doria
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 06:43
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Provisional election Results
To the membership:
[...Snip...]
I must note, that despite having participated in the nomination process,
having submitted statements of candidacy and been listed on the ballot
without prior notice or complaint, the NPOC leadership has filed a complaint
with the ICANN Board and requested that the vote be suspended and new
elections called.
The letter to the Board by the NPOC leadership can be found at:
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://info.n4c.eu/sympa/arc/ncsg-ec/2011-10/msg00048.html"><http://info.n4c.eu/sympa/arc/ncsg-ec/2011-10/msg00048.html></a>
while my response to this complaint can be found at:
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://info.n4c.eu/sympa/arc/ncsg-ec/2011-10/msg00049.html"><http://info.n4c.eu/sympa/arc/ncsg-ec/2011-10/msg00049.html></a>
It is my expectation, and hope, that the ICANN Board will choose not to
interfere in this election.
A copy of this note is filed at:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Elections+2011">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Elections+2011</a>
Avri Doria
Interim Chair, NCSG
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