<span id="result_box" class="long_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">Your concerns</span> <span class="hps">on this point</span> <span class="hps">is based.</span> <span class="hps">I personally</span> <span class="hps">made</span> <span class="hps">a lot of reservations</span> <span class="hps">from</span> <span class="hps">some organizations</span> <span class="hps">of civil society</span> <span class="hps">in</span> <span class="hps">my country</span> <span class="hps">for</span> <span class="hps">the following reasons:</span><br>
<span class="hps atn">-</span><span class="">motivation</span> <span class="hps">was not clearly</span> <span class="hps">justified;</span><br> <span class="hps">-local activities</span><span class="">,</span> <span class="hps">not sufficient to justify</span> <span class="hps">the ability</span> <span class="hps">of involvement and</span> <span class="hps">participation;</span><br>
<span class="hps atn">-</span><span class="">the total absence</span> <span class="hps">in the debates</span> <span class="hps">at the local level</span><span class="">;<br><br></span> <span class="hps">There is so much</span> <span class="hps">evidence on which</span> <span class="hps">I based</span> <span class="hps">to be</span> <span class="hps">reluctant.</span><br>
<span class="hps">For this reason</span> <span class="hps">we have</span> <span class="hps">thought of</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">technical community</span> <span class="hps">platform</span> <span class="hps">bringing together several</span> <span class="hps">people with</span> <span class="hps">competence in</span> <span class="hps">the field of ICT</span> <span class="hps">and can</span> <span class="hps">discuss</span> <span class="hps">the evolution</span> <span class="hps">of the digital environment</span> <span class="hps">in the country.</span> <span class="hps">We work with</span> <span class="hps">well-structured</span> <span class="hps">organizations</span> <span class="hps">such as</span> <span class="hps atn">BSD (</span><span class=""><a href="http://www.bdscongo.org">www.bdscongo.org</a></span><span class="">).</span></span><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/17 Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
These are good observations, Avri. The last point you make:<br>
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> Which made me curious about their commitment to membership<br>
<br>
</div>Is precisely why we must insist that the organizations themselves apply for membership, and not do it through a proxy or aggregator.<br>
It is not difficult for someone with resources to go out and gin up a list of organizations that they say are interested in membership. If I had the time, I could come up with a list of 50-or so new organizations that I think "ought" to join NCSG and they might even express a vague interest in joining when I talk to them on the phone or at a meeting. But unless that organization cares enough to submit its own organization through the proper channels, it is not a real application. I am not accusing anyone of fake applications, I am just saying that they have to do the work of applying themselves.<br>
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>From the beginning of ICANN people have expressed concerns about how civil society representation in multistakeholder institutions raises the risk of manipulation by interested parties in the guise of civil society entities. That is an important and real concern, and our membership admission procedures must take it into account. As an NCSG Executive Committee member, I will oppose any new member admission that does not come from the organization's own representative.<br>
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--MM<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>] On Behalf<br>
</div>> Of Avri Doria<br>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:55 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] for Debbie: Explaining votes made while<br>
<div class="im">> representing NCSG while on GNSO Council<br>
><br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> On 14 Oct 2011, at 15:43, Alain Berranger wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Since NCUC leadership is controlling NCSG (approval of NPOC members and<br>
> its impact on the election process, travel allocation issues, etc...) there is not<br>
> much space for NPOC to debate.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I beleive this is a false statement.<br>
><br>
> The NCSG-EC is composed of both NCUC and NPOC.<br>
> Yes they have yet to learnt to work together, but the NCUC is not controlling<br>
> the NCSG.<br>
><br>
> Even the previous NCSG-EC had an NPOC member on it.<br>
><br>
> And I have been trying to get the NPOC members to join the NCSG for over a<br>
> year, but most refused to do so until they got their constituency.<br>
> And further, on the vote, of the NPOC members who had been accepted as<br>
> members, only a few ever bothered to check in, hence like most of the<br>
> NCUC inactive members, cannot vote. This has NOTHING to do with the<br>
> NCSG-EC or allegations of prejudice by NCUC.<br>
><br>
> Which made me curious about their commitment to membership.<br>
><br>
> In my opinion the only reason NPOC is not involved in the debate is because<br>
> the NPOC has not bothered to involve itself in the debate.<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
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