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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alain - thanks for raising this, and for your helpful replies Avri. I think it adds new meaning to “vote early vote often” :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Joy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alain Berranger<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 15 October 2011 6:31 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Elections - Voting closes on 17 October<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi, sorry I forgot to copy our list.... There was also a typo - I forgot a no! BTW, I did not say "undemocratic" but "an interesting voting practice"... Anyway, as this is an ICANN voting platform, I was not criticizing Avri... the feature just strikes me as odd and not often used in ballots, for the little I know. We do not use it in GKP Foundation voting and we do not use it in Canada at municipal, provincial and federal elections. Of course one can spoil their paper ballots in many ways...so I suppose none of the above is a way of doing this electronically... so maybe in the digital age, this is a good practice...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Alain<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b>Alain Berranger</b> <<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:21 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Elections - Voting closes on 17 October<br>To: Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>><br><br><br>Dear Avri,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Let me be clearer. I was not (repeat not) refering to the questions, which I think were great!... but to your decision not to vote for those candidates that did not answer all questions, and since I did not answer the last 3 questions, I presumed you would not vote for me. That's what I meant.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Alain</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Alan,<br><br>I have no understanding of what you mean by the questions not favoring your vote count. Can you explain that? I certainly had no thought that any of the questions being unfair to any of the candidates.<br><br>As for the ability to re-vote, I am sorry if it strikes you as undemocratic, again I do not understand that, but as with everything I have done, you can all do it differently next time. I think the ability to fix one's vote during the voting period is not in any way undemocratic. Even if it is not Canada's practice.<br><br>cheers,<br><span style='color:#888888'><br>avri</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>On 14 Oct 2011, at 12:14, Alain Berranger wrote:<br><br>> Hi Avri,<br>><br>> I understand and respect your viewpoint and decision, even if it does not favor my vote count. However, I believe that it is not fair to other candidates, from an electoral viewpoint, for me to answer the last 3 questions during the voting period, specially that people can change their votes at will up to the last minute... quite an interesting voting practice, which I have never heard of before! (...and we vote often in Canada! :o)<br>><br>> Alain<br>><br>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wro<br>> Hi Alain,<br>><br>> Answering the questions was voluntary, just posed by me in my Interim role to try and make sure that people knew the positions of the people they were considering for g-council and chair. Answering them or not was completely up to the candidates themselves. I was hoping that a far ranging and detailed, but polite, debate would ensue among the members on these and other issues.<br>><br>> Especially, if you have already thought out answers, however, I recommend you send them to the list. As a member of the NCSG community, I for one would like to read them. I know that for myself personally, I decided I would not vote for anyone who did not answer the questions. Also as I reminded people, one can re-vote as often as they like before the ballot closes on 17 October at 2359 UTC-11 - with only the last vote counting. Just go to the web site <<a href="http://tally.icann.org/cgi/tally?v=797e074f4e7" target="_blank">http://tally.icann.org/cgi/tally?v=797e074f4e7</a>> and use the BALLOT NUMBER and PASSWORD incuded in the ballots.<br>><br>> Also since I am writing again, I was asked by a member to remind people<br>><br>> > the emails (2) are from <a href="mailto:tally@icann.org" target="_blank">tally@icann.org</a>, first word "Ballot," sent on 10/4/2011.<br>><br>> It is 2 emails because the ballots for g-council and chair are different ballots.<br>><br>> Cheers,<br>><br>> avri<br>><br>> PS: I am told that 67/144 voters had sent in ballot as of yesterday. I guess that for NCSG 47% of active participants voting is pretty good especially since there has been no nagging yet. Since there is not threshold on elections, it does not really matter how many people vote, but it will be unfortunate if fewer than 50% of the 'active' members actually vote.<br>><br>><br>><br>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 11:04, Alain Berranger wrote:<br>><br>> > Hi, Apologies for answering questions 3 to 4 late... was on vacation and lost track of the election periods - an explanation but not a valid excuse! Apologies also for not answering questions 5 to 7... I had planned my responses but will refrain of course. Also, I just voted.<br>> ><br>> > Best, Alain<br>> ><br>> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>> > Hi,<br>> ><br>> > First I want to thank those candidates who took the time to answer the questions I proposed.<br>> ><br>> > Second I want to remind people who received ballots (<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Voters+List+2011" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Voters+List+2011</a>)<br>> > that they need to return their ballots - 5 days to go in the voting period.<br>> ><br>> > I am informed that many ballots came in, but not all of them. So if you name is on the voting list, search for your ballot and vote.<br>> > You can vote as often as you like, though just the last ballot counts.<br>> ><br>> > avri<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<br>> > Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>> > Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><br>> > Trustee, GKP Foundation, <a href="http://www.globalknowledgepartnership.org" target="_blank">www.globalknowledgepartnership.org</a><br>> > Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>> > O:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824" target="_blank">+1 514 484 7824</a>; M:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824" target="_blank">+1 514 704 7824</a><br>> > Skype: alain.berranger<br>> ><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<br>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><br>> Trustee, GKP Foundation, <a href="http://www.globalknowledgepartnership.org" target="_blank">www.globalknowledgepartnership.org</a><br>> Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>> O:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824" target="_blank">+1 514 484 7824</a>; M:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824" target="_blank">+1 514 704 7824</a><br>> Skype: alain.berranger<br>><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><br>Trustee, GKP Foundation, <a href="http://www.globalknowledgepartnership.org" target="_blank">www.globalknowledgepartnership.org</a><br>Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>O:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824" target="_blank">+1 514 484 7824</a>; M:<a href="tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824" target="_blank">+1 514 704 7824</a><br>Skype: alain.berranger<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a><br>Trustee, GKP Foundation, <a href="http://www.globalknowledgepartnership.org" target="_blank">www.globalknowledgepartnership.org</a><br>Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824<br>Skype: alain.berranger<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>