<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(66, 66, 66); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; ">Verisign Anti-Abuse Domain Use Policy status update:</span><br><div><br></div><div>
<a href="http://j.mp/rcJBez"></a><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/registries/rsep/verisign-com-net-name-request-10oct11-en.pdf">http://www.icann.org/en/registries/rsep/verisign-com-net-name-request-10oct11-en.pdf</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Nicolas Adam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nickolas.adam@gmail.com">nickolas.adam@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi Victoria, all<br>
<br>
Just felt like pointing out what is surely one of the greatest
resource site for *US* telecom law and politics: <a href="http://www.cybertelecom.org/" target="_blank">cybertelecom</a> (replete with
case law and generally up to date). Surely it is widely known, but
in case a few listers didn't know of it, it is certainely a great
find. Definitely thorough with regard USA while also in depht from a
global perspective. <br>
<br>
See here for a compendium of sort on <a href="http://www.cybertelecom.org/cda/firsta.htm" target="_blank">free speech</a>/1st
amendment: <a href="http://www.cybertelecom.org/cda/firsta.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cybertelecom.org/cda/firsta.htm</a><br>
<br>
<br>
See here for same but relating to <a href="http://www.cybertelecom.org/dns/" target="_blank">DNS</a> :
<a href="http://www.cybertelecom.org/dns/" target="_blank">http://www.cybertelecom.org/dns/</a><br>
Navigation links should ease up search but i would recommand
restricting a google search to the site for very efficient result
("search queries" site:<a href="http://cybertelecom.org" target="_blank">cybertelecom.org</a>).<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
Nicolas</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
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On 10/13/2011 11:37 AM, Victoria McEvedy wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I’m assisting ORG
on its comments to Nominet and it would be very useful to
have some input from the lawyers and others on this list. In
particular –it would be useful to have some extracts from
recent US authorities/academic works on Free Speech/the
First Amendment and the right to receive and impart
information online and in a domain name context
particularly. Any references/cites to helpful recent US case
law or papers on these issues would be helpful.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCSG-Discuss] VeriSign demands
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Although
I am sympathetic to certain law enforcement concerns, the
vague language Verisign used in the RSEP filing is
troubling. The anti-abuse policy it proposes seems to be a
broader framework for denying, canceling or transferring
domains - malware is just one of the grounds, and others
include any "request from law enforcement or a government
or quasi-government agency" (i.e. not just court orders).
It seems to have consulted only with registrars
(understandable), NCFTA and the Anti-Phishing Working
Group (APWG), an association composed largely of industry
and law enforcement bodies. There are no further details
as to the principles or criteria to be used to determine
"abusive", "non-legitimate" and similar broad/subjective
thresholds.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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only reference I saw, in my quick read of the RSEP, is the
possibility of a "protest mechanism" for (one presumes) a
restoration of the domain, but it's not clear what that
will look like.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The
Nominet recommendations are somewhat clearer - e.g.
limitation to "serious criminal activity" and the
possibility of appeal - but still of concern. For example,
and as Kathy and others point out, who would determine
whether and what freedom of expression issues exist in a
dispute?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I
support us issuing a public statement and also would like
us to form a small working team to reach out to Verisign,
Nominet, the Registry and Registrar Stakeholder Groups to
discuss the issue, hopefully in Dakar. I'd be willing to
be the point person for the latter, if members feel that
would be a good way to highlight our concerns to those
directly implementing or at least considering these new
practices.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">An issue
here is what is the intended scope of the suspension
service. If you look at VeriSign's actual
announcement, it starts out talking about malware.
But we all know that LEAs can consider copyright,
gambling, and all sorts of other things to be
grounds for suspension. The idea of a "free
expression impact statement" is a great one, would
it apply to this case as well? Would it also be
advisable to push to constrain this process
explicitly to malware and such technical threats? <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">>
-----Original Message-----<br>
> From: NCSG-Discuss
[<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>] On Behalf
Of<br>
> Wendy Seltzer<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:57 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] VeriSign demands
website takedown powers<br>
> <br>
> Thanks Alex and Kathy,<br>
> <br>
> This development underscores the importance
of including freedom-of-<br>
> expression impact analyses in the policy
review.<br>
> <br>
> We at NCSG should help ICANN staff to set a
good framework for that<br>
> review in the current report on registrar
contacts for law enforcement,<br>
> (Resolution 3.5 at <<a href="http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201110" target="_blank">http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201110</a>>)
that can<br>
> serve as an example and precedent for future
cases.<br>
> <br>
> --Wendy<br>
> ut <br>
> On 10/11/2011 11:29 AM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:<br>
> > Tx you, Alex, for the posting.<br>
> ><br>
> > Takedowns is a growing issue, and
Verisign's announcement builds upon<br>
> > meetings that international law
enforcement representatives held with<br>
> > registries and registrars last year.
Verisign is asking for takedown<br>
> > powers. Also, working with the Serious
Organized Crime Agency of the<br>
> > UK, Nominet (.UK) has issued a draft
recommendation giving it takedown<br>
> > authority in cases of alleged serious
crime.<br>
> > <a href="http://www.nominet.org.uk/news/latest?contentId=8617" target="_blank">http://www.nominet.org.uk/news/latest?contentId=8617</a>
(public comment<br>
> > period technically over).<br>
> ><br>
> > The direction is clear - this is what
law enforcement wants. The<br>
> > question we can influence, I think, will
be process:<br>
> > - How can we ensure that only the most
serious crime is subject to<br>
> > this rapid takedown process?<br>
> > - How can we ensure free speech/freedom
of expression websites are<br>
> > exempt ("The policy should exclude
suspension where issues of freedom<br>
> > of expression are central aspects of the
disputed issue," Nominet)?<br>
> > - How can we ensure a very rapid appeal
for when mistakes occur?<br>
> > - How can we help the good faith domain
name registrants know where to<br>
> > go for help?<br>
> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> > Kathy (Kleiman)<br>
> >> No court order necessary<br>
> >> By Kevin Murphy<br>
> >> 11th October 2011<br>
> >><br>
> >> <<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/11/verisign_asks_for_web_takedo" target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/11/verisign_asks_for_web_takedo</a><br>
> >> wn_powers/><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> Wendy Seltzer -- <a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.org" target="_blank">wendy@seltzer.org</a> +1
<a href="tel:914-374-0613" value="+19143740613" target="_blank">914-374-0613</a> Fellow, Yale Law<br>
> School Information Society Project Fellow,
Berkman Center for Internet &<br>
> Society at Harvard University <a href="http://wendy.seltzer.org/" target="_blank">http://wendy.seltzer.org/</a><br>
> <a href="https://www.chillingeffects.org/" target="_blank">https://www.chillingeffects.org/</a>
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> <a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/" target="_blank">http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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