UK is trying to do what the US does.<br><br>UK police want domain seizing powers: Right or wrong?<br><a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/uk-police-want-domain-seizing-powers-right-or-wrong/6938">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/uk-police-want-domain-seizing-powers-right-or-wrong/6938</a><br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;">More news today. <div><br></div><div>(I had a hunch that the Dept of Justice would</div>
<div>be involved.)</div><div><br></div><div>Marc Rotenberg</div><div>EPIC</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--------</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 60px;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(127, 127, 127);"><b>From: </b><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span>Morning Tech <<a href="mailto:morningtech@politico.com" target="_blank">morningtech@politico.com</a>></div>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 1px 64px; font: 12px Helvetica;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(127, 127, 127);"><b>Subject: </b><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span><b>POLITICO's Morning Tech, presented by Washington's NewsChannel 8: Today: DOJ discusses IP enforcement - NetCoalition opposing Comcast-NBC merger - Fmr. Pres. George W. Bush heads to FB for live book chat - The privacy debate returns</b></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 1px 64px; font: 12px Helvetica;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(127, 127, 127);"><b>Date: </b><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span>November 29, 2010 5:20:38 AM EST</p>
</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><b>DRIVING THE DAY: DOJ DETAILS IP ENFORCEMENT</b> - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and ICE Director John Morton are holding a press conference this morning at DOJ where the two will announce "an intellectual property enforcement action," according to the release. This comes on the heels of ICE seizing the Web addresses of several file-sharing websites late last week - more on that below. ICE officials declined to comment on the websites that were taken down. </blockquote>
<br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><br><b>ICYMI: U.S. CRACKS DOWN ON PIRACY HAVENS</b> - From the NYT: "In what appears to be the latest phase of a far-reaching federal crackdown on online piracy of music and movies, the Web addresses of a number of sites that facilitate illegal file-sharing were seized this week by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a division of the Department of Homeland Security. ... The new seizures also come as a new bill, the Combating Online Infringements and Counterfeits Act, is making its way through Congress. The bill, which was approved by a Senate committee last week, would allow the government to shut down sites that are 'dedicated to infringing activities.'" MORE: <a href="http://nyti.ms/dOTbmb" target="_blank">http://nyti.ms/dOTbmb</a> <br>
</blockquote></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Exactly, DHS consolidated functions that used to be in separate departments (Customs, INS) <br>
<br><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Marc Rotenberg [mailto:<a href="mailto:rotenberg@epic.org" target="_blank">rotenberg@epic.org</a>]<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:09 AM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: Milton L Mueller<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cc: <a href="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: U.S. Government Seizes BitTorrent Search Engine Domain and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">More<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
As a US lawyer, it seems odd to me that the DHS would have<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">this role. International law enforcement matters are routinely<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">coordinated by the Dept. of Justice. ICE is a relatively<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">recent creation, gathering powers that traditionally resided<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">with Customs and the INS.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Marc.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Not so odd, Marc, because Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">part of DHS.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Customs would be the primary agency involved in transnational<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">counterfeiting enforcement actions.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
Recall ACTA and related negotiations. Interesting that this can go on<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">without COICA.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: NCSG-NCUC [mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>] On Behalf<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Marc Rotenberg<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 8:26 AM<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS] U.S. Government Seizes BitTorrent<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Search Engine Domain and More<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">According to the New York York Times, it was the Dept of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Homeland Security (the same agency that brought us<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">airport body scanners) that seized the BitTorrent site and others.<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This seems odd since it is the US Dept of Justice that would<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">typically investigate copyright matters.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Note also that this action took place prior to Senate action<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">on COICA.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Marc Rotenberg<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">EPIC<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-----------------------------<br></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/27/technology/27torrent.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/27/technology/27torrent.html</a><br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
U.S. Shuts Down Web Sites in Piracy Crackdown<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">By BEN SISARIO<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Published: November 26, 2010<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In what appears to be the latest phase of a far-reaching federal<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">crackdown on online piracy of music and movies, the Web addresses of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a number of sites that facilitate illegal file-sharing were seized<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">this week by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a division of the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Department of Homeland Security.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">By Friday morning, visiting the addresses of a handful of sites that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">either hosted unauthorized copies of films and music or allowed<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">users to search for them elsewhere on the Internet produced a notice<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that said, in part: "This domain name has been seized by ICE -<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Homeland Security Investigations, pursuant to a seizure warrant<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">issued by a United States District Court."<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> * * *<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 27, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Alex Gakuru wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Does this mean *all* search engines with links will be shut down<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">anytime, including 'Big G'?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">On 11/27/10, Alex Gakuru <<a href="mailto:gakuru@gmail.com" target="_blank">gakuru@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Why complained earlier on expectations that cash strapped ccTLDs<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">especially<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
in Africa/developing cannot afford parallel servers, databases and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">time<br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">costs to enforce third parties IP/copyrights/trademark etc<br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">interests.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">somehow 'feels' safer NOT to register a .com now?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">The latest info that I've seen is that Verisign assigned new DNS<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">servers<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">at the Registry level, and then locked the domain so that even the<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
Registrar<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
can't update it. So now it looks like it may have been VeriSign<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">who<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"seized" them. No word on ICANN's role in this situation, if any.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 26, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Marc Perkel wrote:<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
So was it ICANN that actually did the seizing?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 11/26/2010 7:25 PM, Michael Haffely wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The concerning part about the report from today is that the domain<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">owner<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">never received any complaint or due process before the domains<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">were<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">seized.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It appears that no Cease and Desist, warrant, suit, or other<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">criminal<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">complaint was brought up before the domain was taken. What if<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">an<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">example) this behavior is taken up by the Patent and Copyright<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"trolls".<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What happens to an individual/nonprofit/organization when they<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">their<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">domain yanked out from under them?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If ICANN is to seize domains from their rightful owners by demand<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">law<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">enforcement agency we need to have a clear, *rapid* appeals<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">process<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">prevent abuse by corporations, law enforcement agencies, and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">governments.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
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<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Andrew A. Adams <<a href="mailto:aaa@meiji.ac.jp" target="_blank">aaa@meiji.ac.jp</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Very similar moves are happening in the UK, with Nominet (UK non-<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">profit<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">with<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the .uk (and .gb) country-code delegation) engaging with the UK's<br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">SOCA<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(Serious and Organised Crime Agency *) to remove 1200 "sites<br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">engaged in<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">selling counterfeit goods" recently and now doing a more explicit<br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">deal<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">with<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the police to take down the DNS registration for sites "alleged<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">be<br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">involved in criminal activity".<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/25/nominet_crime/" target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/25/nominet_crime/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">(*) The SOCA is a rather dodgy organisation, IMHO. When it was<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">set<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">up<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">then home secrewtary made a big thing of it not being actually<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">police<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">therefore not bound by the requirements that the police have to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">respect<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">human rights of citizens. THat's a recipe for a secret police<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">operating<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
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<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">extra-judicially and here we see exactly that kind of approach.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I am very worried by these kinds of moves. Zittrain's "The Future<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Internet" and Mueller's "Networks and States" concerns about<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">censorship<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">becoming the norm not the exception online seem to be coming<br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">true.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">While<br></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
not in favour of criminals having free reign, the trouble is that<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">all<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">hard won freedoms such as due process, balance of rights, etc.<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">seem<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to<br></blockquote>
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being thrown out in the digital domain.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
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</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Professor Andrew A Adams <a href="mailto:aaa@meiji.ac.jp" target="_blank">aaa@meiji.ac.jp</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
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Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan <a href="http://www.a-cubed.info/" target="_blank">http://www.a-cubed.info/</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">IP JUSTICE<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Robin Gross, Executive Director<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org" target="_blank">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">regards,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
Alex Gakuru<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.mwenyeji.com" target="_blank">http://www.mwenyeji.com</a><br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hosting, surprise yourself!<br></blockquote>
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</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">regards,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Alex Gakuru<br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.mwenyeji.com" target="_blank">http://www.mwenyeji.com</a><br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hosting, surprise yourself!<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div>
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