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So Verisign can seize any domain or just domains registered through
them? Can GoDaddy or other registrars do the same?<br>
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On 11/26/2010 8:34 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
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font-size: 11px;">that Verisign assigned new DNS servers at the
Registry level, and then locked the domain so that even the
Registrar can't update it. So now it looks like it may have
been VeriSign who "seized" them. No word on ICANN's role in
this situation, if any. </span>
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<div>On Nov 26, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Marc Perkel wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> So was it ICANN that
actually did the seizing?<br>
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On 11/26/2010 7:25 PM, Michael Haffely wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTinwyiLGzey9o+ihYxHEVqm0fr+bi16r7=Yd1yx=@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">The concerning part about the report from
today is that the domain owner never received any
complaint or due process before the domains were
seized. It appears that no Cease and Desist, warrant,
suit, or other criminal complaint was brought up before
the domain was taken. What if (for an example) this
behavior is taken up by the Patent and Copyright
"trolls". What happens to an
individual/nonprofit/organization when they have their
domain yanked out from under them? <br>
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If ICANN is to seize domains from their rightful owners
by demand of a law enforcement agency we need to have a
clear, *rapid* appeals process to prevent abuse by
corporations, law enforcement agencies, and
governments. <br>
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-Mike H.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:46
PM, Andrew A. Adams <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:aaa@meiji.ac.jp">aaa@meiji.ac.jp</a>></span>
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0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,
204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Very similar moves are
happening in the UK, with Nominet (UK non-profit
with<br>
the .uk (and .gb) country-code delegation) engaging
with the UK's SOCA<br>
(Serious and Organised Crime Agency *) to remove
1200 "sites engaged in<br>
selling counterfeit goods" recently and now doing a
more explicit deal with<br>
the police to take down the DNS registration for
sites "alleged to be<br>
involved in criminal activity".<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/25/nominet_crime/"
target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/25/nominet_crime/</a><br>
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(*) The SOCA is a rather dodgy organisation, IMHO.
When it was set up the<br>
then home secrewtary made a big thing of it not
being actually police and<br>
therefore not bound by the requirements that the
police have to respect the<br>
human rights of citizens. THat's a recipe for a
secret police operating<br>
extra-judicially and here we see exactly that kind
of approach.<br>
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I am very worried by these kinds of moves.
Zittrain's "The Future of the<br>
Internet" and Mueller's "Networks and States"
concerns about censorship<br>
becoming the norm not the exception online seem to
be coming true. While I'm<br>
not in favour of criminals having free reign, the
trouble is that all the<br>
hard won freedoms such as due process, balance of
rights, etc. seem to be<br>
being thrown out in the digital domain.<br>
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--<br>
Professor Andrew A Adams <a
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href="mailto:aaa@meiji.ac.jp">aaa@meiji.ac.jp</a><br>
Professor at Graduate School of Business
Administration, and<br>
Deputy Director of the Centre for Business
Information Ethics<br>
Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.a-cubed.info/" target="_blank">http://www.a-cubed.info/</a><br>
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