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<p class="MsoNormal">Avri (re:so you know what you think):<br>
<br>
Outreach, activity, charter as well as candidacy [and hence NOPC]
seem awfully interconnected.
Just a few thoughts on this, naive as they may be, as i try to get
up to
speed with ICANN-GNSO-NCSG politics: </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Re:status update on the charter</b><br>
<br>
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[snip]
3. There is in principle agreement to a two stage process for Constituencies as we described in our charter. I.e., apply for candidacy as a constituency and then once activity/contribution is proven, approval as a full Constituency. Two issues fall out of this:
i. We are still discussing the nature of proof of activity/contribution, but we all accept that a constituency needs to be functional and contributing before it is approved for full status. The question now is how we define the conditions in a predominantly objective way. I do not know what their ideas on this are yet, I have proposed things like:
o participation in at least two working groups with at least 50% participation for 6 months
o submission of at least 4 constituency statements on items under public review
o a vibrant culture of cooperative work as demonstrated by mailing lists traffic or other group work mechanisms.
o contributions in the EC, PC and FC on which they will have observer status as candidate constituencies.
ii. There needs to be two ways in which a cConstituency can apply for candidate status: either through the SOI process as we have defined in our charter or through the Staff administered NOIF process. It would still be up to the NCSG-EC to review and approve, or not, the applications and the process once accepted as a candidate Constituency would be identical. The predominant reason, as I understand it for the inclusion of the NOIF is because of outreach and an assumption that ICANN can reach a larger swath of possible applicants. It also provides a mechanism by which Constituencies can be applied for in any SG using a similar method.
[snip]
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wouldn’t the most easy and consistently
quantifiable way for NCSG-EC of doing this be the requirement that
a certain threshold percentage
of NCSG members be accounted for, either </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">i) expressing their intentions to join
the proposed constituency or, perhaps, <br>
ii) agreeing with its formation? <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This
might as well be the most easily exportable and adaptable
candidacy approval procedure.
Indeed the percentages need not be absolutely equal across SGs for
a sense of consistency to be achieved. I have no idea what would
be acceptable to all, and I merely submit the idea. Perhaps
a threshold half that of usual thresholds for recall petitions
(which vary in the ranges of
25% to 40%) would have to be met? Depending on the actual rate of
"recruitment" and the size of the [NC]SG, it could also be a fixed
number of members. Or it could combine both: beyond a certain
threshold number of members, the percentage criteria is abandoned
for a
fixed number criteria of either i) or ii) ? If the board
would insist for last say on this, as it seems to be the case, it
could have the option to impose a 2/3 ratio of the “candidacy
approval threshold”, thereby facilitating somewhat the approval of
a contested candidacy. The board could also perhaps mandate the
test in cases
when a candidacy emerges through the [NC]SG SOI process, with the
[NC]SG-EC then
allowed to ask for a 2/3 ratio, thereby facilitating somewhat the
approval of a contested candidacy. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">While this would be the [NC]SG-EC’s as well as
the Board's “appeal methodology” in case of disagreement
with the board, it would not be mandatory passage for candidate
constituencies
that have clearly passed whatever bundle of qualitative tests that
we can agree
with SIC/Board to set out in the charter. The SG-EC could just
approve right
away with the Board staying pat. This goes to fixing
representational, funding, and other
types of ICANN-style <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering">gerrymandering</a>.
BTW, congrats for linking seats with NCSG rather than
constituencies, this is a must i believe. <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Although I have not thought through all the
implications “<b>Re:Incentives and methods for outreach</b>”, I
thought I’d
still lay this out here because it goes with the flow of what I
gather to be a
most unstoppable tendency: that of an ever growing political
effort at outreach.
It’s politically impossible to debate outreach, in my opinion
(just like
bottom-up gives the Board a hard time), even though a legitimate
case can be made that
under the actual terms of outreach engagement, most of it may be
strategic and politically motivated. Politics *is* mobilization,
after all. Again, apologies if
this is naïve newbie proposals (i just recently joined and I guess
I was just officially "outreached") and if it illuminates my own
ignorance more than it does negotiations. <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rosemary : Canada has similar <b>levies </b>to
facilitate [citizen] non-commercial participation in telecom
regulatory politics.<br>
</p>
Nicolas<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/11/2010 2:44 PM, Rosemary Sinclair wrote:
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<p><font size="2">Hi all<br>
<br>
This is a quick reply<br>
<br>
the issue of concern to me is the asymmetry of resource in
every sense between the market-place (and thus self-funded)
participants in ICANN and consumers who are negatively
effected by a range of behaviours related to domain names<br>
<br>
we see this in Australia in the telco sector with residential
consumers and even in my own organisation for business users
of telco services - interest is high, funding is low and
therefore outcomes are weighted to industry interests.<br>
<br>
I think it's a type of public good problem - everyone wants
them, but not all can or will pay.<br>
<br>
in the end Government funded consumer group (which is
mightily independent - but that's Australia) and we struggle
on with direct business funding<br>
<br>
In Australia we also have levies on telco sector to fund a
range of activities which support more equal participation in
telco regulatory activities (which reminds me to talk to ICANN
about AuDA consultations!!!! so I have included Teresa in this
reply)<br>
<br>
as I see the existing outreach activities of ICANN in regard
to supply-side market participants, I think this should be
balanced by outreach and support for the consumers<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
<br>
Rosemary<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: NCSG-NCUC on behalf of Milton L Mueller<br>
Sent: Fri 11/12/2010 2:30 AM<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Fwd: [gnso-osc] Revised Global Outreach
Recommendations - for OSC adoption by November 24<br>
<br>
Avri:<br>
This report makes me vaguely uneasy and even troubled. I know
that "outreach" and "participation" are supposed to be
unqualified Good Things in this crazy environment, but I find
that to be extremely naïve, for reasons I will explain below.<br>
<br>
In my mind, ICANN is a governance institution and therefore
its task is to formulate policies and rules that bring a
constructive order to a fairly narrow area of Internet
activity (domain names). In order to do that, it has to put
into place a representational and participatory structure that
facilitates making good, effective, legitimate rules and
policies. But the representational structure should be
populated by an autonomous civil society, not by the
governance institution. If ICANN's activities actually have an
impact on people's lives, and it gives those impacted people
meaningful forms of influence over what it does, THEY WILL
PARTICIPATE. They will recruit themselves.<br>
<br>
ICANN is not, or should not be, an evangelical Church with a
missionary wing that views enlarging its membership as an
inherently good thing. ICANN should stick to its narrow,
technical policy mission.<br>
<br>
The report proposes a standing "Outreach Task Force" (OTF)
that is rather large, about 40-50 people. It holds up the IGF
MAG as a (positive!) example, something that might surprise
those of us who have dealt with the MAG and the intense
representational politics that have swirled around it. Not to
mention the factional divisions that have mostly paralyzed
it. This OTF is then going to spend a lot of money supporting
the activities of a large group as they recruit people into
the GNSO.<br>
<br>
The report also uses the ITU's Youth outreach program as an
example. But here again, if you know that program, it is
basically a marketing/educational program, designed to bolster
the ITU's future. True, it has legitimate educational
purposes, as the young people who enter that program do have
enhanced opportunities to learn about international policy
making in telecommunications. But in ITU's case there is no
confusion between who are the real members to whom the
organizational is accountable (governments) and the "recruits"
who receive this education. In ICANN the line is blurry.<br>
<br>
To express my view in the simplest way, I don't think ICANN,
Inc. should be doing, or should be actively managing, popular
"outreach." I think the appropriate level of participation and
recruiting should be driven by the external people who have a
stake in what ICANN does. Human rights groups who want ICANN
to pay more attention to freedom of expression or privacy
should recruit supporters and bring them into ICANN.
Business/trademark groups who want ICANN to pay more attention
to their interests should do the same. What really matters
here is:<br>
<br>
<br>
a) how fair and balanced ICANN's board and board selection
process is,<br>
<br>
b) how fair and balanced the GNSO's representational
structure is,<br>
<br>
c) how well ICANN translates participation into good
policies,<br>
<br>
d) whether ICANN has the appropriate accountability
mechanisms binding it to its stakeholders' will.<br>
<br>
<br>
ICANN should concentrate on those things as a priority, not on
some blind rush to "get more people involved."<br>
<br>
At best, getting more people involved in a flawed structure is
useless because the newcomers quickly learn that the process
is dysfunctional or their efforts have no impact, and they
leave. At worst, "getting more people involved" becomes a way
for the Corporation staff to recruit malleable drones who can
be used to undermine or bypass the real stakeholders.<br>
<br>
Note that ICANN Inc. is currently paralyzing new constituency
formation in NCSG because it won't approve a charter that was
approved overwhelmingly by its noncommercial participants.
Note how it uses the alleged lack of widespread participation
in NCUC to manipulate our representation in GNSO, but ignores
a far less diverse showing in the CSG. Those two things by
themselves should make us deeply skeptical of any ICANN-driven
"outreach" program. In the past two years, NCUC did more
successful outreach - at no cost to ICANN - than any other
group. And yet what did it get us? Is "outreach" really the
goal here, or something else?<br>
<br>
Note that this report proposes to use the South Summer School
on Internet Governance (SSIG) as a "recruiting" tool. This
bothers me. Currently, these wonderful summer schools
conceived by Kleinwachter are autonomous institutions. They
already educate and sometimes get people interested enough to
get involved. If we make them tools or arms of the GNSO, via
ICANN funding or pushing ICANN recruiting efforts, their
independence is lost, and so is most of their value.<br>
<br>
I repeat my main premise: insofar as ICANN's activities
actually have an impact on people's lives, and it gives those
impacted people meaningful forms of influence over what it
does, THEY WILL PARTICIPATE, you will not need an "outreach"
program. Investing major amounts of time and money in
"outreach" instead of in fixing ICANN's representation and
accountability is a big mistake, a diversion.<br>
<br>
--MM<br>
<br>
From: NCSG-NCUC [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Avri Doria<br>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:08 AM<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
Subject: [NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS] Fwd: [gnso-osc] Revised Global
Outreach Recommendations - for OSC adoption by November 24<br>
<br>
Comments welcome so i know what i think.<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
<br>
a.<br>
<br>
<br>
Begin forwarded message:<br>
<br>
<br>
From: "Philip Sheppard" <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:philip.sheppard@aim.be">philip.sheppard@aim.be</a><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:philip.sheppard@aim.be">mailto:philip.sheppard@aim.be</a>>><br>
Date: 10 November 2010 03:36:14 EST<br>
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Subject: [gnso-osc] Revised Global Outreach Recommendations -
for OSC adoption by November 24<br>
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Fellow OSC members,<br>
please find attached a recommendation on outreach from the CSG
team, chaired by Olga Cavalli, in an effort led by Debbie
Hughes.<br>
It is revised based on the most recent round of input earlier
from the OSC and supersedes the version sent to the OSC on 19
October 2010.<br>
It is a redline version.<br>
Let me have your comments with a view to OSC adoption by
November 24 .<br>
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After which, assuming a positive reception, we will send it to
the GNSO Council.<br>
<br>
Philip<br>
OSC Chair<br>
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