<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">Andrew actually I agree with you. </span><span style="" title="">What is the purpose of creating and recreating the groups which we do not know the ins and outs? </span><span style="" title="">Do we have nothing else to do? </span><span style="" title="">Why bludgeon us with debates that lead to confusion in the minds? </span><span style="" title="">Democratically
speaking, is this really a reason to abuse the minds with this kind of
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/10 Andrew A. Adams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aaa@meiji.ac.jp">aaa@meiji.ac.jp</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Rosemary wrote'<br>
<div class="im">> I think we have a real problem...<br>
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</div>> Our Charter describes Constituencies at 2.3 (below) but it seems we are arg=<br>
<div class="im">> uing against even the possibility of a Constituency within NCSG????<br>
<br>
</div>Remember that our charter is not the current one under which the NPOC is<br>
being propsoed. The NPOC is being proposed under the current board-imposed<br>
interim charter.<br>
<br>
I don&t think the tone of comments here suggest people are against interest<br>
groups, or constituencies as the board insists we call them. What people are<br>
arguing against is both the principle and practice of this NPOC proposal.<br>
<br>
So far as I can see if the NPOC constituency within NCSG is created then<br>
we&re hemmed in to only two constituencies' organisations and users. Very few<br>
organisations that are both eligible and intersted in joining NCSG will not<br>
be non-profits, I suspect, particularly under the broad definitions of the<br>
NPOC proposal. That leaves us with individuals on one side and NPOs on<br>
another. The NPOC is way too broad and seems to me to be either naively<br>
over-broad o cynically empire-building, at the very least, and perhaps an<br>
attempt at political spoiling as has been suggested.<br>
<br>
I would also say that I am completely opposed, at this stage *and probably<br>
will be later) to any proposal that seeks to create a constituency/interest<br>
group in NCSG that doesn't already have a significant membership in the NCSG<br>
as a whole, or at the very least a list of eligible members who feel there<br>
isn't a suitable interest group/constituency for them to join. The only<br>
reason NCUC exists as an explicit constituency within NCSG is that the board<br>
insisted that we have constituencies right from the start, IIRC, and so<br>
everyone go to lumped into a single constituency. Over time we should expect<br>
that NCUC will either disappear as other more focussed interest groups form,<br>
or become the default place for members of NCSG who don't fit into a group<br>
and don't have enough others with whom to form a new group.<br>
<br>
We're still in the formation stage of NCSG really, and need to be very<br>
careful how we allow our political structures to develop. Historical<br>
institutionalism and path dependence lessons tell us that once we've got<br>
structures in place it will be difficult to change them. Much better to get<br>
them approximately right first time and then tweak them than have to fight<br>
internal political battles to slice and dice a group set up too early with a<br>
way too broad remit. Yes, this places NCUC in an unnaturally strong position,<br>
but that was forced on us by the board rather than being something we've<br>
sought for ourselves, and I actually have reasonable faith that the majority<br>
of current members will not seek to undermine our work in getting the NCSG up<br>
and running in ICANN by using NCUC's position to attempt to dominate NCSG.<br>
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Professor Andrew A Adams <a href="mailto:aaa@meiji.ac.jp">aaa@meiji.ac.jp</a><br>
Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and<br>
Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics<br>
Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan <a href="http://www.a-cubed.info/" target="_blank">http://www.a-cubed.info/</a><br>
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