<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">However there are some NFPs run for not for profit purposes who belong in NCSG and have interests to protect in domain names space. For me they include Red Cross, Medicine sans Frontiers, ACCAN, ..... But not ATUG (altho we are a NFP org) as our work is on behalf of businesses, cheers Rosemary<p>Sent from my BlackBerry® from Optus</p><hr/><div><b>From: </b> "Robin Gross" <robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG>
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</div><div><b>Date: </b>Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:45:26 +1100</div><div><b>To: </b><NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU></div><div><b>ReplyTo: </b> "Robin Gross" <robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG>
</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: NPOC Q&A Document</div><div><br/></div><div>I agree that a constituency that advocates for commercial interests properly belongs in the Commercial Stakeholder Group. NCSG is the only place at ICANN that is specifically reserved for NON-commercial interests as their goal. It seems this trademark group (NPOC) belongs in the CSG since it is primarily concerned with commercial interests - especially trademarks and brands. It is not enough to be set up as a non-for-profit organization to belong in NCSG. Thousands of not-for-profit organizations are set up to support commercial interests (like the RIAA, MPAA, IFPI, etc) -- but they are set up to benefit COMMERCE, so they would properly belong in the CSG.</div><div><br></div><div>It is important that this distinction is made early-on in the formation of the NCSG - or it will be entirely over-run by commercial interests set up as not-for-profits. Of course these groups are welcome at ICANN, but they really belong in the CSG.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Kimberley Heitman wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City">
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Looking at the IP-owner agenda of the
NPOC, it’s no surprise that there is going to be considerable resistance
to commercial interests being asserted within the NCSG. Obviously the proper
place for its shadowy members is within the Intellectual Property Constituency with
the other IP lawyers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Heitman<br>
<a href="http://www.kheitman.com">www.kheitman.com</a><br>
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[mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Amber Sterling<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 8 November 2010
11:26 PM<br>
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<a href="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> NPOC Q&A Document</span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi
All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank
you for your questions and patience. Attached is the Q&A document we
created to address your questions about the NPOC. We will send updated
information regarding our membership towards the end of November.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Amber<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Amber
Sterling<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Senior
Intellectual Property Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Association
of American Medical Colleges<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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