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<DIV>It's good to see healthy, reasoned and informative public debates on our list!</DIV>
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<DIV>I agree that the "consumer" angle is an important one (hence the interest amongst many of our members and several Councillors on moving a consumer agenda forward in ICANN), and it is a pity that ICANN does, for the most part, adopt a "one size fits all" model that lumps individuals, small enterprises and large organizations into fairly crude, general categories (e.g. "commercial" vs "non commercial"). This is one issue that NCSG may wish, either via individual members or collectively, to bring up in future comment periods and Policy Development Processes (PDPs).</DIV>
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<DIV>In the context of this particular debate, I think one more thing to bear in mind is the recommendations for defaults, i.e., when and how a respondent can reinstate a complaint (even when that complaint has been initially resolved on a default basis for lack of response within the prescribed period (20 days or whatever).) If a respondent can fully reinstate - and revive - the original complaint without additional cost or legal consequence, that should go some way towards remedying the "I went on vacation and couldn't check my email" problem.</DIV>
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<DIV>In addition, the fact that, unlike the UDRP, most URS-related recommendations do NOT provide for transfer of the domain name to the "winning" complainant (via default or otherwise) is also something to bear in mind in relation to achieving a fair and balanced system that protects both legitimate registrants and prudent rights-holders.</DIV>
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<DIV>We may disagree as to the exact mechanism or balance that is necessary, but it seems to be useful to look at all the recommendations - ranging from the original IRT proposals to the STI suggestions and the form those took in DAGv4 - and then deciding which (if any) comes the closest to achieving the proper balance. To the extent that anyone feels none do, then it would be helpful to suggest either an amended or possibly entirely new mechanism that will do this better than the present suggestions.</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV>Mary </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#800080>Mary W S Wong</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs</DIV>
<DIV>Franklin Pierce Law Center</DIV>
<DIV>Two White Street</DIV>
<DIV>Concord, NH 03301</DIV>
<DIV>USA</DIV>
<DIV>Email: <A href="mailto:mwong@piercelaw.edu">mwong@piercelaw.edu</A></DIV>
<DIV>Phone: 1-603-513-5143</DIV>
<DIV>Webpage: <A href="http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php">http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php</A></DIV>
<DIV>Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: <A href="http://ssrn.com/author=437584">http://ssrn.com/author=437584</A></DIV><BR><BR>>>> </DIV>
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<TD><STRONG>From: </STRONG></TD>
<TD>Debra Hughes <HughesDeb@USA.REDCROSS.ORG></TD></TR>
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<TD>Re: Comments filed today by American Red Cross</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sorry for formatting…doing this while at a meeting:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And many NGOs don’t have the money for country based, let alone world-wide tm searches </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Wingdings><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">! Or to even file tm registrations to protect their org’s name. Or to spend $1500 to file a UDRP. Or to hire outside counsel when your IP team is ½ a person!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">2)<FONT size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I don’t understand how acquiring a domain name is not a commercial transaction. Even if we agree say it’s a “consumer transaction”, the registrant agrees to certain obligations. Whether you use the internet for non-commercial purposes or to sell widgets, I think it important to remember that. Just as there are consumer protection laws, aren’t consumers expected to have a certain level of responsibility? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">3)<FONT size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As I stated in my comment and as I have been saying since I joined Red Cross, it would be great if ICANN recognized the differences between how domains are used when setting policy. Why can’t the pricing, rules, processes be different for those that are not using the DNS to sell widgets or make a profit? However ICANN’s domain registration (its “remit”) vs. domain name use (what it claims is outside of its remit) debate clouds that issue sometimes. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">4)<FONT size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Maybe the day will come for the opportunity for gTLDs for individuals with different standards – would be promising. I am hoping for the same thing for entities that can establish they would use a new gTLD for a non-profit motive. we shall see.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> tlhackque [mailto:tlhackque@yahoo.com] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:22 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Hughes, Debra Y.<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Comments filed today by American Red Cross</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And let’s remember that individuals that register domain names should be responsible for their contractual obligations, right? </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">>> Yes, absolutely. And those obligations have to be reasonable for the parties involved. Few individuals can be expected to spend USD 50K+ on a world-wide trademark search, for example.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>However, we have to find a way to balance the interests - helping those trying to quickly take down domains registered by bad actors for serious cases and helping individual registrants understand the nature of the playing field when they enter this commercial arena. <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">>> Agree - except I wish you'd omitted 'commercial'<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>Because honestly, one could argue that obtaining a domain name is a commercial transaction, even when used to connect family members. <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">>> By that standard, a consumer buying a nameplate for her house is a a commercial transaction. But we have different standards for what it is reasonable for a consumer to do. We have consumer protection laws, and as you know, contract law (at least in the US) has very different standards for consumer contracts and commercial contracts - even when the same product or service is purchased. So I am inclined to argue that this is a *<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">consumer</SPAN></B>* transaction when an individual (not acting for some other entity) is the purchaser</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>And when individuals engage in commercial activities, like buying keywords to help people find their domain, maybe they should carefully consider the rules of the road. </SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>>> Yes, but the standard of what's reasonable is different. What's reasonable when one has a few dollars to connect a family or run a community service is very different from what's reasonable when you have millions of dollars at your disposal. <BR><BR>>> The internet is no longer simply a commercial space. There is a large population of consumers doing things that in the past, only large institutions could do. Whether its publishing/blogging that so many do, or running an international private network for my family - I have more bandwidth in my house today than I had in my engineering lab 10 years ago - the internet is not a network of mini/mainframe computers costing USD 10K, 100K, 1M. Most of my DNS servers cost under USD 100. We need to distinguish commercial from non-commercial use of the network and reason about what appropriate rights and responsibilities are -- isn't that what this group is about?<BR><BR>>> For the record, I'm not against big institutions - I spent over 30 years working in them, and I appreciate the amount of good that can be done when one has significant resources at one's disposal. I'd like to think that I did my share of good - as well as vigorously defending our ability to control our resources, including intellectual property. And I'd certainly like to get rid of the bad actors.<BR><BR>>> One might make a case for a TLD for individuals with more relaxed standards. There have been some attempts to cater to individuals - e.g. .name, .tel, etc - but these are limited and would not support the full range of services that some of us need. And trademark owners need to be protective everywhere. But maybe the balance of consumer protections could be different -- if we could keep the bad actors from hiding behind it.<BR><BR>>> It is a difficult problem. I don't think we're on radically different sides of the issues. But I am trying to provide some perspective from the point of view of an individual registrant. It is our network too.<BR><BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Debra Hughes <HughesDeb@USA.REDCROSS.ORG><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, July 22, 2010 6:02:58 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Comments filed today by American Red Cross</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And let’s remember that individuals that register domain names should be responsible for their contractual obligations, right? To be clear, I am not minimizing that an organization may have more resources than a person who registers a domain name. However, we have to find a way to balance the interests - helping those trying to quickly take down domains registered by bad actors for serious cases and helping individual registrants understand the nature of the playing field when they enter this commercial arena. Because honestly, one could argue that obtaining a domain name is a commercial transaction, even when used to connect family members. And when individuals engage in commercial activities, like buying keywords to help people find their domain, maybe they should carefully consider the rules of the road. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Office of the General Counsel </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">2025 E Street, NW </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Washington, D.C. 20006 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Phone: (202) 303-5356 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Fax: (202) 303-0143</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> <BR><A href="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org" target=_blank ymailto="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org"><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org</SPAN></FONT></A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regarding your comments about 14 days to respond, let’s also remember the difference between a “user” of the Internet and a “Registrant”. Your mention of users below is perhaps misplaced. We are talking about Registrants of domain names and not end users of the DNS. A Registrant had access to the Internet when he/she registered the domain name (either personally or through another party acting on his/her behalf). The Registrant had “all the time in the world” to decide to register its problematic domain name for a problematic use before he/she actually registered the domain – long before the Complaint was aware. The Registrant also had the ability to access the Internet to engage in fraudulent activity – he/she had plenty of time to consider and prepare the content and use of the domain name. It’s a bit one-sided to argue that if an organization sees a problematic use we should agree to 20 days for the Registrant to prepare a response for the reasons you mention below. Also, a form for the Answer could minimize the need for an attorney for Answers, but if not, Registrants should know that the act of registering a domain name has potential consequences. A Registrant willingly enters a contractual relationship with the registrar when he/she decides to register a domain name. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Just one point I would like to clarify being involved and having researched on both the UDRP and the URS. In a system of adjudication, the term ‘rapid’ does not really refer to the speed leading up to the adjudication process; rather, it refers to the ‘rapidness’ of the decision-making process. And, the recommendation of the STI has been consistent with this, instructing panels to submit their decisions within 3 business days. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>This distinction in determining ‘rapidness’ is crucial for the adjudication process and in Brussels as well as from the comments it appears that the trademark community misinterprets what we mean by rapidness. No system is fair if it is rapid during the discovery process or in any other process leading up to adjudication.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>And, 14 days is not really fair. Again, just like the problems with the UDRP, the complainant has all the time in the world to compile, submit and file the complaint. The Respondent is given only 14 days? What about legitimate Registrants located in parts of the world with limited Internet access? For many users the Internet is still not a given. What about legitimate Registrants whose first language is not English? What about legitimate Registrants that have to find a lawyer to compile the Response on their behalf? All these are legitimate reasons for the deadline to be 20 days – at least that is how I feel and that is what 10 years of UDRP experience teaches us.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Selected publications: <A href="http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038" target=_blank>http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN>About the thin v. think comment below: In </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">a thin registry (.COM is an example), the Whois records includes limited data - only enough to identify the registrar of the domain name (registrar name, registration status, creation/expiration dates). So, for a problematic .COM domain, obtaining the contact details for the registrant is a two (or three or four or five…) step process for research. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Step 2: Then, go to that particular registrar’s Whois service to obtain the publicly available Registrant’s contact information. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Office of the General Counsel </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">2025 E Street, NW </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Washington, D.C. 20006 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Phone: (202) 303-5356 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Fax: (202) 303-0143</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> <BR><A href="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org" target=_blank ymailto="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org"><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org</SPAN></FONT></A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">All,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Attached are comments filed</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">by the American Red</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cross</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">on the Joint SO/AC Working Group Report and on DAG4.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><<American Red Cross Comments on Joint SO-AC WG Report - 07212010.pdf>> <<American Red Cross Comments on DAGv4 - 07212010.pdf>> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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