<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">And let’s remember that individuals
that register domain names should be responsible for their contractual obligations,
right? <br></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><br></span></font></p><p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">>> Yes, absolutely. And those obligations have to be reasonable for the parties involved. Few individuals can be expected to spend USD 50K+ on a world-wide trademark search, for example.<br></span></font></p><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><br>However, we
have to find a way to balance the interests - helping those trying to quickly
take down domains registered by bad actors for serious cases and helping individual
registrants understand the nature of the playing field when they enter this
commercial arena. <br><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">>> Agree - except I wish you'd omitted 'commercial'</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>Because honestly, one could argue that obtaining a
domain name is a commercial transaction, even when used to connect family members.
<br><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">>> By that standard, a consumer buying a nameplate for her house is a a commercial transaction. But we have different standards for what it is reasonable for a consumer to do. We have consumer protection laws, and as you know, contract law (at least in the US) has very different standards for consumer contracts and commercial contracts - even when the same product or service is purchased. So I am inclined to argue that this is a *<span style="font-weight: bold;">consumer</span>* transaction when an individual </span></span></font><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (not acting for some other entity)</span></span></font><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> is the purchaser</span>.<br
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>And when individuals engage in commercial activities, like buying keywords to
help people find their domain, maybe they should carefully consider the rules
of the road. </span></font>
<font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"> </span></font><div><br>>> Yes, but the standard of what's reasonable is different. What's reasonable when one has a few dollars to connect a family or run a community service is very different from what's reasonable when you have millions of dollars at your disposal. <br><br>>> The internet is no longer simply a commercial space. There is a large population of consumers doing things that in the past, only large institutions could do. Whether its publishing/blogging that so many do, or running an international private network for my family - I have more bandwidth in my house today than I had in my engineering lab 10 years ago - the internet is not a network of mini/mainframe computers costing USD 10K, 100K, 1M. Most of my DNS servers cost under USD 100. We need to distinguish commercial from
non-commercial use of the network and reason about what appropriate rights and responsibilities are -- isn't that what this group is about?<br><br>>> For the record, I'm not against big institutions - I spent over 30 years working in them, and I appreciate the amount of good that can be done when one has significant resources at one's disposal. I'd like to think that I did my share of good - as well as vigorously defending our ability to control our resources, including intellectual property. And I'd certainly like to get rid of the bad actors.<br><br>>> One might make a case for a TLD for individuals with more relaxed standards. There have been some attempts to cater to individuals - e.g. .name, .tel, etc - but these are limited and would not support the full range of services that some of us need. And trademark owners need to be protective everywhere. But maybe the balance of consumer protections
could be different -- if we could keep the bad actors from hiding behind it.<br><br>>> It is a difficult problem. I don't think we're on radically different sides of the issues. But I am trying to provide some perspective from the point of view of an individual registrant. It is our network too.<br><br> <br></div>---------------------------------------------------------<br>This communication may not represent my employer's views,<br>if any, on the matters discussed.<div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Debra Hughes <HughesDeb@USA.REDCROSS.ORG><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thu, July 22, 2010 6:02:58 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Comments filed today by American Red Cross<br></font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">And let’s remember that individuals
that register domain names should be responsible for their contractual obligations,
right? To be clear, I am not minimizing that an organization may have
more resources than a person who registers a domain name. However, we
have to find a way to balance the interests - helping those trying to quickly
take down domains registered by bad actors for serious cases and helping individual
registrants understand the nature of the playing field when they enter this
commercial arena. Because honestly, one could argue that obtaining a
domain name is a commercial transaction, even when used to connect family members.
And when individuals engage in commercial activities, like buying keywords to
help people find their domain, maybe they should carefully consider the rules
of the road. </span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Debra Y. Hughes</span></font></b><b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"> l</span></font></b><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"> Senior
Counsel</span></font></b><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> <br>
</span></font><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">American Red Cross</span></font></b><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Office of the General Counsel </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> <br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">2025 E Street, NW </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Washington, D.C. 20006 </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Phone: (202) 303-5356 </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fax: (202) 303-0143</span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> <br>
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org</span></font></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> NCSG-NCUC
[mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>tlhackque<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:21
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Comments filed today
by American Red Cross</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I know we all despise the spammers and fraud-mongers. And
removing and prosecuting them will all due haste should certainly be a
goal. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">However, let's also remember that many individuals register domain
names. Perhaps their family name - or their pet's name - or... happens to
be a keyword in a advertising campaign in a language they don't know for a
product they've never heard of on the other side of the globe that they've
never visited. And that individual happens to take a vacation when
Megacorp's legal department decides to make an issue of it. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I don't think 20 days is unreasonable - in fact, I don't think 30 days
is unreasonable if I had to respond to such a complaint. I certainly
don't have your organization's legal resources. And I <strong><b><font face="Times New Roman">do</font></b></strong> - occasionally - take vacations
without reading e-mail.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Of course, I'd also like the spammers off the network in a microsecond
or less. But let's not amplify the leverage that the large/deep
pockets have over the individuals. Let's not assume that only the
guilty will get charged.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">And let's remember that "non-commercial" doesn't just
mean large non-profit groups. It's supposed to include individuals who
who are registrants - and are <strong><b><font face="Times New Roman">not</font></b></strong>
engaged in fraud or 'problematic' use.<br>
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This communication may not represent my employer's views,<br>
if any, on the matters discussed. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Debra Hughes
<HughesDeb@USA.REDCROSS.ORG><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, July 22, 2010 1:43:04
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Comments filed today
by American Red Cross</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Konstantinos,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Regarding rapid decision making, in my
comments, we offered the following suggestion:</span></font></p>
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<p class="listparagraph0" style="text-align: justify;"><i><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-style: italic;">In addition, the
examiner should be required to render a decision within seven (7) business
days, rather than being allowed up to 14 days, with a goal and best practice of
providing the Answer within three (3) days. Once again, the use of a form
Decision should greatly increase the ability of examiners to provide their
Decisions in a rapid manner.</span></font></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Regarding your comments about 14 days to
respond, let’s also remember the difference between a “user”
of the Internet and a “Registrant”. Your mention of users
below is perhaps misplaced. We are talking about Registrants of domain
names and not end users of the DNS. A Registrant had access to the
Internet when he/she registered the domain name (either personally or through
another party acting on his/her behalf). The Registrant had
“all the time in the world” to decide to register its problematic
domain name for a problematic use before he/she actually registered the domain
– long before the Complaint was aware. The Registrant also had the
ability to access the Internet to engage in fraudulent activity – he/she
had plenty of time to consider and prepare the content and use of the domain
name. It’s a bit one-sided to argue that if an organization sees a
problematic use we should agree to 20 days for the Registrant to prepare a
response for the reasons you mention below. Also, a form for the Answer
could minimize the need for an attorney for Answers, but if not, Registrants
should know that the act of registering a domain name has potential
consequences. A Registrant willingly enters a contractual relationship
with the registrar when he/she decides to register a domain name. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">On a related note, I think new gTLD and
other outreach efforts to those in the developing and emerging regions could
offer a primer to the community about the domain registration process –
explaining the contractual relationship between the registrar and the
registrant. Guidance could be given to the community about these
processes, obligations, what a Registrant “agrees to” when
registers a domain name and an explanation of the potential consequences.
Perhaps those that offer pro bono legal services can talk about the types of
assistance they can offer Registrants in these scenarios. These are ideas
I am sharing with those involved with outreach activities within ICANN.
Perhaps there are other ideas NCUC/NCSG members have to help Registrants
understand and the “business” behind the registration process.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Debbie</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Debra Y. Hughes</span></font></b><b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"> l</span></font></b><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"> Senior
Counsel</span></font></b><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> <br>
</span></font><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">American Red Cross</span></font></b><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Office of the General Counsel </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> <br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">2025 E Street, NW </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Washington, D.C. 20006 </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Phone: (202) 303-5356 </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fax: (202) 303-0143</span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> <br>
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org</span></font></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Konstantinos
Komaitis [mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 22, 2010
12:21 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Hughes, Debra Y.;
NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: Comments filed today
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB">Just
one point I would like to clarify being involved and having researched on both
the UDRP and the URS. In a system of adjudication, the term ‘rapid’
does not really refer to the speed leading up to the adjudication process;
rather, it refers to the ‘rapidness’ of the decision-making
process. And, the recommendation of the STI has been consistent with this,
instructing panels to submit their decisions within 3 business days. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB">This
distinction in determining ‘rapidness’ is crucial for the
adjudication process and in Brussels as well as from the comments it appears
that the trademark community misinterprets what we mean by rapidness. No system
is fair if it is rapid during the discovery process or in any other process
leading up to adjudication.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-GB">And,
14 days is not really fair. Again, just like the problems with the UDRP, the
complainant has all the time in the world to compile, submit and file the
complaint. The Respondent is given only 14 days? What about legitimate
Registrants located in parts of the world with limited Internet access? For
many users the Internet is still not a given. What about legitimate Registrants
whose first language is not English? What about legitimate Registrants that
have to find a lawyer to compile the Response on their behalf? All these are
legitimate reasons for the deadline to be 20 days – at least that is how
I feel and that is what 10 years of UDRP experience teaches us.</span></font></p>
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[mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Debra Hughes<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:25
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Comments filed today
by American Red Cross</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Thanks, Rafik. </span></font><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;" lang="EN">The work of the JAS WG is very important and of course
related, in part, to the outreach work we are both involved with on the OSC
Constituency and Stakeholder Group Operations Work Team.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;" lang="EN"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;" lang="EN">About the thin v. think
comment below: In </span></font><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">a thin registry (.COM is
an example), the Whois records includes limited data - only enough to identify
the registrar of the domain name (registrar name, registration status,
creation/expiration dates). So, for a problematic .COM domain, obtaining the
contact details for the registrant is a two (or three or four or five…)
step process for research. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">For example,</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Step 1: Look up the domain name using a
Whois service of choice. Find out registrar.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Step 2: Then, go to that particular
registrar’s Whois service to obtain the publicly available
Registrant’s contact information. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Step 3: If the bad actor is using a
privacy/proxy service, I have to keep my fingers crossed that the privacy/proxy
service has a fair (and hopefully easy and inexpensive) system for me to
request the concealed contact information for the Registrant. Hopefully they
will follow their policy!</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Step 4: Proxy/privacy service does
not have a system to request underlying contact information or ignores request,
I have to decide whether it makes sense to spend donor dollars to get a
subpoena, if applicable or escalate the request for contact information.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">A record from a registry operating a thick
Whois server (like .ORG) includes the registrant’s contact information,
admin/tech and the registrar info. It eliminates having to go two places
to get the publicly available Registrant contact info, which is important for
not for profit organization that are often asked to do more with less
resources. The other benefit of a thick registry is when a registrar goes
out of business, the thick registry will retain the registrant info (except if
the registrant used a </span></font><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;" lang="EN">privacy/proxy
service).</span></font></p>
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<p class="listparagraph" style="margin-left: 0in;"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">About
the URS, I think fairness is important – fairness to the registrant and a
fair procedure for an organization that is being harmed by a bad actor from a
"clear cut” instance” of trademark abuse.” I think
the suggestion of giving Registrants 14 days, rather than 20 days to file an
Answer is fair, not abusive and consistent with the intent of
“rapid” suspension. Also, if ICANN provides a form complaint
and reduces the word/page limit, it is possible a Registrant, who is
inexperienced with such actions, might feel less intimidated. Also, the
suggestion of a form Answer can help inexperienced Registrants prepare responses.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Debbie</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Debra Y. Hughes</span></font></b><b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"> l</span></font></b><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"> Senior
Counsel</span></font></b><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> <br>
</span></font><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">American Red Cross</span></font></b><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Office of the General Counsel </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> <br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">2025 E Street, NW </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Washington, D.C. 20006 </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Phone: (202) 303-5356 </span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fax: (202) 303-0143</span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> <br>
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org</span></font></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> NCSG-NCUC
[mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Rafik Dammak<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:24
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Comments filed today
by American Red Cross</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hello Debbie,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks for comments sent to the JAS WG, the document is shared within
the WG members.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I was little bit puzzled
by the mention of supporting thick whois as suggested by IRT, even there
are some people arguing for that , I think that a balanced solution for common
ground of different interests is mandatory with safeguard for privacy. also
about URS, maybe we can assume that there is need make it simple and short, how
we can prevent abuse of using URS for this supposed mechanism to prevent abuse?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">2010/7/22 Milton L Mueller <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;">Glad to see that Red Cross is endorsing
the idea that nonprofits might use a new gTLD for "internal business
purposes under a model that is different from a commercial, profit-driven new
gTLD"</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"> NCSG-NCUC [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Debra Hughes [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:HughesDeb@USA.REDCROSS.ORG" target="_blank" href="mailto:HughesDeb@USA.REDCROSS.ORG">HughesDeb@USA.REDCROSS.ORG</a>]<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010
8:21 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS]
Comments filed today by American Red Cross</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">All,</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Attached are comments filed</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"> </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">by the American Red</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"> </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Cross</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"> </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">on the Joint SO/AC
Working Group Report and on DAG4.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><<American Red Cross Comments on Joint
SO-AC WG Report - 07212010.pdf>> <<American Red Cross Comments on
DAGv4 - 07212010.pdf>> </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Thanks,</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Debbie</span></font></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" name="129f9a3eb1e6d5a2_"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Debra
Y. Hughes</span></font></b></a><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;"> l
Senior Counsel</span></font></b></p>
<p><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">American Red Cross</span></font></b></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Office of the General Counsel </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">2025 E Street, NW </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Washington, D.C. 20006 </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Phone: (202) 303-5356 </span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fax: (202) 303-0143</span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black;">HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org</span></font></a></span></font></p>
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