<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Carlos,<div><br></div><div>Right, sorry for the imprecision, I meant you cannot identify the person who said something.</div><div><br></div><div>cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>BD</div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Bill, it is more than names. Since 2002 the Rule (there is only one<br>rule) states:<br><br>When a meeting, or part thereof, is held under the Chatham House Rule,<br>participants are free to use the information received, but neither the<br>identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other<br>participant, may be revealed.<br><br>This is more than names. I cannot say "Chuck Gomez said this", and I<br>cannot say "the representative of Verisign said this " or even "the<br>chair of GNSO said this".<br><br>--c.a.<br><br>William Drake wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Robin<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chatham doesn't make it secret, it just strips out the names of who<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">said what. The content still comes out. Other SGs feel that's<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">important to them being able to participate (pertains mostly to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">inter-corporate squabbling) and I don't think we could have gotten a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">consensus council statement without it. And that council statement<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">does call for two way info flow with AC/SOs, which was not in the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">staff proposal. So less than perfect transparency, but more than<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">there'd have been otherwise.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Best,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bill<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Robin Gross wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for sending this draft council letter around. It is very<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">good except I do not agree that the review groups should operate<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">under Chatham House Rules on confidentiality. It would certainly<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">be a step backward for a group that is to assess the openness and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">transparency of ICANN to operate in this secret fashion and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">contrary to ICANN's promises of openness and transparency.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Everything else in the letter looks good however.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks, Robin<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, William Drake wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Please see the attached draft and let me know if you have any<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">comments etc. Otherwise I'll propose a motion tomorrow...<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Bill<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><Draft GNSO Council response to the draft proposal on the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Affirmation Reviews Requirements and Implementation<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Processes.pdf><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Begin forwarded message:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> Date: January 19,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">2010 4:58:20 PM GMT+01:00 To: "William Drake"<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>>, "GNSO Council List"<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>> Subject: RE: [council] Draft Council<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">letter on the ARR<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Please forward this to your SGs/Constituencies right away and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">request feedback. The Council will need to make a decision on<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">whether to submit the comments or some revised version of them<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">in our 28 Jan meeting. If anyone wants to make a motion in<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that regard, motions are needed by tomorrow, Wednesday, 20<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">January.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Chuck<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message----- From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of William<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Drake Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:40 AM To: GNSO<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Council List Subject: [council] Draft Council letter on the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ARR<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hello,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Attached please find the drafting team's proposed response to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> the draft proposal on the Affirmation Reviews Requirements <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and Implementation Processes, for discussion with our <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">respective SGs and in the Council.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Best,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Bill<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">*********************************************************** <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">William J. Drake Senior Associate Centre for International<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Governance Graduate Institute of International and Development<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Studies Geneva, Switzerland <a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a> <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html">www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html</a> <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">***********************************************************<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#540000"> </font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div> </div></body></html>