<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Ditto!</div><div><br></div><div>--c.a.<br><br>enviado via iPhone</div><div><br>On 22/01/2010, at 15:57, "Kim G. von Arx" <<a href="mailto:kim@VONARX.CA">kim@VONARX.CA</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree with Robin! <div><br></div><div>Kim </div><div><br><div><div><div><div>On 22 Jan 2010, at 12:18, Robin Gross wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">
<div>ICANN would send a terrible message to the world if it cancelled this meeting in Nairobi. Now is when the world is looking to ICANN to be more international and to open-up its processes away from only the small handful of privileged Western businessmen that have traditionally managed the org.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope ICANN will not perpetuate these overblown fears about Nairobi and insult much of the world by canceling the mtg. because certain ($$) people have been frightened by the media into staying home.</div><div><br></div><div>If ICANN wants to be a truly international governance institution, it cannot be afraid of Africa. Time for ICANN to grow-up and go into Africa with or without the entourage of elite Western businessmen.</div><div><br></div><div>My 2 cents,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:54 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Right now São Paulo is under a wave of protests in the poor communities</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(which is more than 70% of that city of 11 million) against local public</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">policies. This is motivated by the poor record of the local and state</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">government in handling sanitation, flood prevention and urban</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">development. Some communities are under water and sewage for more than</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">40 days now. As expected, the local police reacts with the usual</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">stupidity and violence breaks up. But the big media is aligned with the</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">state government, and nearly no news of these protests circulates,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">except in the many alternative blogs.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Since what happened in Nairobi involves a "fashionable" religious</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">conflict, big media blew it out of proportion, it seems.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--c.a.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">McTim wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Bill,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I haven't cross posted to ALAC or any other list, but want to give NCUC</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">members a first hand perspective.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Nairobi is no less safe now than when ICANN decided to hold its March 2010</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">meeting here.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Last weeks violence happened because police banned a</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">demonstration from happening after Friday prayers.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The Jamaican cleric was</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">deported last night.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>It was a very, very small scale skirmish. I've been in</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">far worse riots in Washington D.C.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">It would be an over reaction IMHO to cancel or move the March meeting from</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Nairobi at this point. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kenyan and other African stakeholders who are</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">looking forward to the meeting would be very annoyed indeed, and with good</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">reason.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Carlos A. Afonso</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://CGI.br"><a href="http://CGI.br">CGI.br</a></a> (<a href="http://www.cgi.br/"><a href="http://www.cgi.br">www.cgi.br</a></a>)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Nupef (<a href="http://www.nupef.org.br/"><a href="http://www.nupef.org.br">www.nupef.org.br</a></a>)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">====================================</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">new/nuevo/novo e-mail: <a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"><a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a></a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">====================================</div> </blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org/"><a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a></a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"><a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></body></html>