<meta charset="utf-8">Hi,<div><br></div><div>This is a very good statement, thanks for all the work that went in to it.  IIRC, it addresses all of the comments made during our previous call. Â </div><div><br></div><div>I agree with Bill that Chatham is a good compromise and will encourage panelists to speak freely. Â And AFAIK, there is nothing preventing a panelist from saying elsewhere what they said themselves at a meeting under the Chatham House Rule. Â This is helpful if one feels strongly that their particular constituency's position needs to be known.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Other suggestions: </div><div><br></div><div>Add some academic references in a footnote re: group size and effectiveness </div><div><br></div><div>Might it help to include examples of "related institutional settings"? Â E.g., there are relatively large Working Groups in the IETF that achieve consensus, the IGF's MAG is another example that has been mentioned.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I would support including the sentence “It might also be noted that GNSO registrants pay fees that fund well over 90% of ICANN's activities.” Â What makes it objectionable to some?</div><div><br></div>
---------------------------------------<br>Brenden Kuerbis<br>Internet Governance Project<br><a href="http://internetgovernance.org">http://internetgovernance.org</a><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:49 AM, William Drake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Robin,<div><br></div><div>That wasn't my language, CSG asked for it. Â I don't actually see it as all that problematic though. Â Chatham just means the identities of who said what are not revealed, not that what was said cannot be revealed. Â One could see the argument for this, e.g. it depoliticizes things, people don't have to carefully mince their words to make sure that reviewer x's comments about board/staff/stakeholder y are attributed and thus can lead to ill will, lobbying, whatever. Â Without this, some biz folks were uncomfortable with my saying there should be a two way flow of info with periodic reporting to AC/SOs and the ability of AC/SOs to offer inputs. Â With no limitations we could end up with them demanding a sealed box approach instead. Â Consider the MAG experience.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you can't live it regardless let me know ASAP as I guess I'd have to send a substitute text for the motion, which might not get seconded or passed since it wouldn't be what the drafting team negotiated.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>BD</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Robin Gross wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">

Thanks for sending this draft council letter around. Â It is very good except I do not agree that the review groups should operate under Chatham House Rules on confidentiality. Â It would certainly be a step backward for a group that is to assess the openness and transparency of ICANN to operate in this secret fashion and contrary to ICANN's promises of openness and transparency. Â Everything else in the letter looks good however.<div>
<br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, William Drake wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Hi <div><br></div><div>Please see the attached draft and let me know if you have any comments etc. Â Otherwise I'll propose a motion tomorrow...</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><span><Draft GNSO Council response to the draft proposal on the Affirmation Reviews Requirements and Implementation Processes.pdf></span></div>
<div><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium">"Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>><br>
</span></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium">January 19, 2010 4:58:20 PM GMT+01:00<br>
</span></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium">"William Drake" <<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>>, "GNSO Council List" <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
</span></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium"><b>RE: [council] Draft Council letter on the ARR</b><br>
</span></div><br><div>Please forward this to your SGs/Constituencies right away and request<br>feedback. Â The Council will need to make a decision on whether to submit<br>the comments or some revised version of them in our 28 Jan meeting. Â If<br>
anyone wants to make a motion in that regard, motions are needed by<br>tomorrow, Wednesday, 20 January.<br><br>Chuck <br><br><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a> <br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">[<a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of William Drake<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:40 AM<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: GNSO Council List<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [council] Draft Council letter on the ARR<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
Hello,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Attached please find the drafting team's proposed response to <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the draft proposal on the Affirmation Reviews Requirements <br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and Implementation Processes, for discussion with our <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">respective SGs and in the Council.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Best,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bill<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote>
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