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<DIV>Sorry for chiming in late - I'm with the no transcripts crowd, in part for reasons others have mentioned, and in part also because I honestly don't think the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.</DIV>
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<DIV>While transparency is an excellent thing, I think that in this case we achieve it by (a) having a recording, and (b) following up with either notes or public discussions. </DIV>
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<DIV>In other words, transparency (especially for its own sake) doesn't mean that *everything* is always recorded in numerous forms/media and published. Disclosure, openness and the ability (real and perceived) to speak freely should be sufficient in this case.</DIV>
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<DIV>My two (jetlagged) cents' worth,</DIV>
<DIV>Mary</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#800080>Mary W S Wong</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs</DIV>
<DIV>Franklin Pierce Law Center</DIV>
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<DIV>Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: <A href="http://ssrn.com/author=437584">http://ssrn.com/author=437584</A></DIV><BR><BR>>>> </DIV>
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<TD><STRONG>From: </STRONG></TD>
<TD>Rosemary Sinclair <Rosemary.Sinclair@ATUG.ORG.AU></TD></TR>
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<TD>1/11/2010 12:54 AM</TD></TR>
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<TD>Re: Publishing the transcipt</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Hi Avri and everyone....<BR><BR>Back from holidays and with good internet access<BR><BR>For me - I would say NO transcripts - I never use them....<BR><BR>And sometimes I say things only to find myself changing my mind if<BR>someone says something more sensible - the purpose of discussion!<BR><BR>If the "mike" was always open in front of me maybe I would be more<BR>"media circumspect" - not good for free flowing discussion...<BR><BR>In analogue mode, at many of the Board meetings I attend the practice is<BR>to record decisions not discussions to encourage people to put their<BR>views...<BR><BR>Cheers<BR><BR>Rosemary <BR><BR>Rosemary Sinclair<BR>Managing Director, ATUG<BR>Chairman, INTUG<BR>T: +61 2 94958901 F: +61 2 94193889<BR>M: +61 413734490 <BR>Email: rosemary.sinclair@atug.org.au<BR>Skype: rasinclair<BR><BR>Please visit the ATUG website for Updates and Information<BR>www.atug.com.au <BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Non-Commercial User Constituency<BR>[mailto:NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<BR>Sent: Saturday, 9 January 2010 10:16 AM<BR>To: NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<BR>Subject: Re: Publishing the transcipt<BR><BR>Hi,<BR><BR>Two people who participated in the call indicated that they did not know<BR>a transcript would be made public and asked that it not be. As it had<BR>not been made clear that the transcript would be posted for the world to<BR>see, I have decided to not publish based on these requests.<BR><BR>We need, as the NCSG community to discuss how we wish to handle these<BR>transcripts in the future.<BR><BR>In addition to the indication of personal concern about releasing a<BR>conversation they had expected not to be released in transcript form, a<BR>couple of other concerns were mentioned. These concerns are probably<BR>relevant to future transcripts.<BR><BR>Among the issues are:<BR><BR>- It does not appear that other SGs or constituencies make their<BR>transcripts available to the world. Does it put NCSG at a disadvantage<BR>to be the only one to do so? <BR>- People will not speak as freely if they know there is going to be a<BR>public transcript and these Policy discussion meetings need to be wide<BR>ranging and candid.<BR>- Transcripts are only approximate and do not allow for editing of one's<BR>remarks not even when one misspeaks.<BR>- Seeing all of our verbal failures in print is disturbing (how many<BR>times did I say 'Um' or 'like' per sentence ?)<BR><BR>Note there were different concerns about recording or transcripts. For<BR>example the recording for this meeting is available because it was made<BR>clear that the recording was being made. One person's differentiation<BR>was that if someone is wiling to spend the hours listening to the<BR>recording well, then it is ok, but to be able to do a quick search of a<BR>transcript was problematic.<BR><BR>It is possible to create a mailing list for the NCSG, once we get all of<BR>the membership stuff squared away, that allows for member's only access<BR>to the transcript. It could also probably be set up that way in a net<BR>community like ning. But this is just an implementations issue. The<BR>first question is:<BR><BR>- No transcripts<BR>- Policy discussion transcripts closed and only available to the policy<BR>committee made up of council members and SG leadership<BR>- Policy discussion transcript closed and only available to members of<BR>the NCSG<BR>- Policy discussion transcript open to the world.<BR><BR>a.<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:41, Avri Doria wrote:<BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> Hi,</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> I received a question about the appropriateness of publishing the</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR>transcript.<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> So I have, for the time being, removed it from the website pending</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR>this question:<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> Of the people on the call yesterday, are there any who object to the</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR>publication of the transcript. Please let me know privately - if you<BR>don't want to say so in public. If I don't hear any objection in the<BR>next 48 hours, I will make it available again. If anyone objects, I will<BR>not make it public.<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> Note: people were told it was being recorded and had assumed people</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR>had no problem with that. We did not explicitly mention that a<BR>transcirpt would be made available.<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> I would also like to ask the question in general:</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> Do people accept that these policy discussions be recorded and that</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR>the recordings and transcripts be made public?<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> thanks</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> a.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal"><BR></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BODY></HTML>