<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">One might add to this that the council voted, unanimously except Mary and I (I think Avri was not voting on anything at the time due to a CSG attack on her for joining NCUC), to have a Sunday morning conclave that will closed door and off the record. This was framed by proponents as a gripe session where councilors will be able to vent about our "pet hates" and grievances against each other. No joke, we're actually doing this. I suggested we bring a Festivus pole. Maybe F</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">rank Costanza could facilitate. </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Originally they wanted to start off the week of collaboration with this on Saturday morning, so I guess Sunday's a slight improvement. Our biz colleagues insisted, with a straight face, that it had to be secret inter alia because of possible legal actions and effects on share prices, and suggested calls for transparency were just empty rhetoric. </span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Anyone with a macabre taste for examples of the council's community dynamics should have a look at the thread called GNSO Meet and Greet at <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/thrd123.html">http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/thrd123.html</a>. It's pretty priceless and gives new meaning to bottom up.</span></font></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">On Oct 15, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Robin Gross wrote:</span></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">
Thanks to Bill for weighing in against this. I was surprised by the strong reaction of the IPC member who threatens to NOT vote unless she can vote in secret.</span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Now a Commercial Constituency member wants to keep all non-counselors silent during the weekend sessions in Seoul.</span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"> </span></font><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg07642.html"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg07642.html</span></font></a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Our members have not yet had an opportunity to dialogue on many of these issues: - they are new, Seoul will be their first meeting, etc. The idea that we must be kept silent and can only watch the counsel would be a terrible precedent to set for the new "reformed" GNSO. These meetings have been open and allowed for participation from any member of the GNSO before now, so I hope we don't move in the direction of silencing the community who is traveling to Seoul (most on their own dime) to work on these issues.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Robin</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Robin Gross wrote:</span></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">I noticed that on the </span></font><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">GNSO Council email lis</span></font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">t, the IP Constituency is calling for secret ballots for the chair/vice-chair positions on council.</span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">That is really surprising to me considering how ICANN claims to be "open and transparent" in its activities. And it is a bit disturbing that elected representatives in a governance organization are afraid the public will know how they vote on an issue. I thought when a person is elected to represent a group of people on policy issues, those people have a right to know how their elected representatives are voting and handling that representation given to them by the public.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">What part of open and transparent public governance does the IPC not understand?<br></span></font> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Best,</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Robin</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">IP JUSTICE</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Robin Gross, Executive Director</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">w: </span></font><a href="http://www.ipjustice.org/"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">http://www.ipjustice.org</span></font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"> e: </span></font><a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">robin@ipjustice.org</span></font></a></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font> </div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div></blockquote></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">IP JUSTICE</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Robin Gross, Executive Director</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">w: </span></font><a href="http://www.ipjustice.org/"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">http://www.ipjustice.org</span></font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"> e: </span></font><a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">robin@ipjustice.org</span></font></a></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font> </div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div></div></blockquote></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font><div>
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