<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Nick<div><br></div><div>Thanks for this. Let me make sure I understand what Rob's saying. CLO's personal statement endorsing the SIC charter can properly be characterized by staff as an ALAC endorsement of the charter because a) the staff summary does not purport to address every specific argument (but simply to mischaracterize them when convenient?) and b) her message was prefaced by a disclaimer stating that she was presenting a synopsis of ALAC conversations from before the SIC charter was even produced. So ALAC did not actually have to have discussed the SIC charter, much less have reached consensus on it, in order for staff to characterize her position as ALAC's. Do I have that right?</div><div><br></div><div>Interesting parallel: I asked Rob in a GNSO council meeting, and reiterated in my submission to the public comment period, that statements made in support of the NCUC version by NCUC members and hundreds (counting the Internet Governance Caucus etc) of external supporters in the public comment period ending 15 April be taken into account in the summary of the PC ending 23 July. The reasons for doing so were straightforward: there was no reason to believe that the organizations and individuals that said they supported the NCUC model and therefore rejected the opposite model had changed their positions, so they should not be required to all mobilize and restate their stances a couple months later, in the summer travel season (although some did). The suggestion was not acted upon or even mentioned in the staff summary.</div><div><br></div><div>So: a synopsis of ALAC conversations during the previous PC period, in which it was concluded that there was no consensus in ALAC on the charters, can be cited as an ALAC endorsement of a version that was never discussed or agreed on. But a substantial number of comments from NCUC and its supporters during the same previous PC period that unambiguously supported the NCUC model and rejected the alternative did not merit mention. And in any event, civil society objections to the SIC charter in the July PC period should sort of be discounted because, the staff summary says, "well over half of the responses appeared to be a direct or indirect [fuzzy math?] result of a letter writing campaign initiated by Robin Gross." Outreach soliciting the public comments ICANN was soliciting renders those comments suspect, if it is done by NCUC.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for clarifying once again how ICANN's bottom-up, transparent, and accountable community processes work.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Dear All:<br><br>As a couple of queries have come in from Bill and Adam with respect to the staff summary of the NCSG public comment period, Rob has sent along the below.<br><br>-------- Original Message --------<table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><th align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="baseline">Subject:</th><td>Clarifications Regarding Staff Summary-Analysis of Stakeholder Group Charter Public Forum</td></tr><tr><th align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="baseline">Date:</th><td>Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:50:47 -0700</td></tr><tr><th align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="baseline">From:</th><td>Robert Hoggarth<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robert.hoggarth@icann.org"><robert.hoggarth@icann.org></a></td></tr><tr><th align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="baseline">To:</th><td>Nick Ashton-Hart<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Nick.Ashton-Hart@icann.org"><Nick.Ashton-Hart@icann.org></a></td></tr></tbody></table><br><br><font face="Garamond"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Dear Nick:<br><br>I understand that there have been some recent discussion within the At-Large community regarding the Staff Summary/Analysis (S/A) of the submissions in the GNSO Stakeholder Group Charter Forum that closed on 24 July.-<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/#stakeholder">http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/#stakeholder</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- and particularly the reference the S/A document makes to the comments submitted by ALAC Chair Cheryl Langdon-Orr.<br><br>As the staff person responsible for that document, I wanted to make sure that I cleared up any potential confusion in the attribution assigned to Cheryl’s submission in the S/A. At the beginning of every S/A document we clearly include the caution to the reader that:<br><br></span></font><blockquote><font face="Garamond"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">“This document is intended to broadly and comprehensively summarize the comments of the various contributors to this forum but not to address every specific argument or position stated by any or all contributors. The Staff recommends that readers interested in specific aspects of any of the summarized comments or the full statements of others refer directly to the originally posted contributions.” <br></span></font></blockquote><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><font face="Times New Roman"><br>F</font><font face="Garamond">urther, with respect to the specific comments submitted by Cheryl, I reproduced verbatim the disclaimer that she provided at the top of her submission. Footnote one at the beginning of the S/A document reads:<br></font><font face="Times New Roman"><br></font></span><blockquote><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><font face="Times New Roman">“</font><font face="Garamond">[1] The Submission by Cheryl Langdon-Orr specifically noted the following disclaimer, ‘This comment is intended to ensure that the Board Structural Improvements Committee (SIC) is aware of and takes into account in this current public comment period the previous activities, views and opinions, including Advice to the Board, and ratified Statements of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and the At-Large Community with specific reference to the development of the new structure of the GNSO, its Council and the Stakeholder Group model. This is not a formal or ratified statement or comment per se but rather a synopsis of those previously provided in various fora to date.’ For identification purposes this document uses the ‘ALAC’ initials to refer to the submission.”<br></font></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><font face="Garamond"><br>If for any reason, Cheryl would like to clarify her comments or if she thinks the initials I used to identify her comments were inappropriate, please have her send me an email at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="robert.hoggarth@icann.org">robert.hoggarth@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and I will work with the web-admin and tech-support teams to re-open the Forum record to insert any clarifications she might want to make to her submission.<br><br>Besr,<br><br>Rob Hoggarth<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br> </font></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><div class="moz-signature">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Arial; ">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Arial; ">Regards,</div><p class="p2" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Times; min-height: 14px; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Arial; ">Nick Ashton-Hart</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; ">Director for At-Large</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal Arial; ">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 9px/normal Arial; ">Tel: +33 (450) 42 81 83</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 9px/normal Arial; ">USA Tel: +1 (310) 301-8637</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 9px/normal Arial; ">Fax: : +41 (22) 594-85-44</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 9px/normal Arial; ">Mobile: (Switzerland): +41 79 595 5468</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 9px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 232); "><span class="s1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org">nick.ashton-hart@icann.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 9px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 232); "><span class="s1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">Win IM:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ashtonhart@hotmail.com">ashtonhart@hotmail.com</a><span class="s1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>/ AIM/iSight:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nashtonhart@mac.com">nashtonhart@mac.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="s1" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">/ Skype:</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>nashtonhart</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 9px/normal Helvetica; "><span class="s2" style="font: normal normal normal 9px/normal Arial; ">Online Bio:</span><span class="s3" style="font: normal normal normal 9px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 232); "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="s4" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart">https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart</a> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="s4" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"><br></span></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">***********************************************************</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">William J. Drake </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Senior Associate</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Centre for International Governance</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Graduate Institute of International and</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> Development Studies</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Geneva, Switzerland</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html">www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html</a></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">***********************************************************</div></div></div></div></div></div></span></span></div></span></div></span> </div><br></div></body></html>