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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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the Slytherin constituency. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Non-Commercial
User Constituency [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</st1:PersonName>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joly MacFie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 24, 2009 12:15
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS]
Charter drafts - and the related process so far => NCUC/ALAC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>As someone who is coming
newly to the situation, I found Harold Feld's<br>
recent comments illuminative.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/1606" target="_blank">http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/1606</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:13 AM, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Carlos
Afonso</st1:PersonName> <<a href="mailto:ca@rits.org.br">ca@rits.org.br</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My view has always been (since this "at large user" thing was
conceived)<br>
that the so-called "At-Large User Constituency" is a Frankenstein.
The<br>
real world moves and revolves around interest groups, not a linear, flat<br>
concoction called "the user" -- and of course different interest
groups<br>
end up controlling ALAC's views and actions. It was a clever way to<br>
generate an illusion of participation, this is all. So no surprise that<br>
they move from one position to another quite easily -- in this sense,<br>
they are quite "at large"...<br>
<br>
frt rgds<br>
<font color="#888888"><span style='color:#888888'><br>
--c.a.</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<st1:PersonName w:st="on">William Drake</st1:PersonName> wrote:<br>
> I fired off a comment as well during last night's dreary council<br>
> meeting. Awakening this morning to see the net effects, it's clear
that<br>
> the responses submitted were overwhelmingly favorable to our position.<br>
> Not that this necessarily will mean anything to the SIC/staff.<br>
> Unfortunately, most comments dwelt more on the procedural aspect of<br>
> SIC/staff discarding our work without comment or dialogue rather than on<br>
> precisely why their alternative will not work. We've made those
points<br>
> before but they've never responded, so it might have been good if more<br>
> of us had reiterated them and demanded specific explanations. The<br>
> official NCUC response<br>
> <a
href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-stakeholder-charters/msg00061.html"
target="_blank">http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-stakeholder-charters/msg00061.html</a>
goes<br>
> some way in this direction, but whether this one intervention will yield<br>
> reasoned replies in the staff synthesis or beyond---I wouldn't put money<br>
> on it. The board will make its decision soon and I suspect that
they'll<br>
> stick with the SIC approach rather than doing a 180 turn just because<br>
> the little people who will have to live with their charter don't like it.<br>
><br>
> One thing that I found particularly depressing in the comments was the<br>
> ALAC leadership's decision to endorse the SIC/staff version, and to<br>
> dismiss NCUC's model as some sort of capture strategy on the part of an<br>
> apparently evil cabal (that's us, I guess). The former is despite
the<br>
> fact that ALAC earlier disavowed the CP80 proposal, which the SIC/staff<br>
> version actually mirrors in important respects. Go ahead and figure<br>
> that one out. It is notable too that this is despite the fact that
ALAC<br>
> leadership has not sought any sort of dialogue with NCUC to arrive at a<br>
> shared understanding of the alternative models, and despite the lack of<br>
> any real dialogue within ALAC on the relative merits of the two models<br>
> geared to eliciting a broadly supported verdict. I have feet in both<br>
> worlds as an NCUC councilor and a member of Euralo's board, and I at<br>
> least did not see any effort from the top to seriously canvass ALAC<br>
> members opinions before arriving at a stance in our names. All I
have<br>
> seen on the ALAC lists and other lists like that of the Media Democracy<br>
> Coalition has been messages to the effect that civil society people<br>
> should work in the first instance through ALAC, not NCUC or NCSG.
And<br>
> yet the board has said it thinks at large structures should be active in<br>
> the future NCSG, and we get criticized for somehow failing to include<br>
> more ALS folks in our work, when of course from our side they're<br>
> perfectly welcome and just don't choose to engage.<br>
><br>
> Maybe I'm still a bit green (although after almost a year here this<br>
> excuse is getting lame) but I simply fail to understand why people can't<br>
> see that ALAC and NCUC/NCSG have different and non-competing functions<br>
> and should be cross-pollinating and cooperating closely. Whatever stuff<br>
> went on in the past between whomever just doesn't cut it as an excuse<br>
> for continuing dysfunctionality today. Indeed, when we have tried to<br>
> collaborate of late, as with the IRT, it has been clear that there's<br>
> often quite a bit of overlap/harmony of view on substantive matters.
So<br>
> it's hard not to conclude that this is all about turf, personal empires,<br>
> and interpersonal relations, which is just adolescent and nuts.<br>
><br>
> In any event, once the board has given us the charter and we've decided<br>
> how to respond, undertaking a serious NCUC/ALAC dialogue should be high<br>
> on the list of priorities, in my view. It just doesn't work to have
one<br>
> group actively undermining the other when both could be working toward<br>
> common objectives.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Bill<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ***********************************************************<br>
> William J. Drake<br>
> Senior Associate<br>
> Centre for International Governance<br>
> Graduate Institute of International and<br>
> Development Studies<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Geneva</st1:City>, <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Switzerland</st1:country-region></st1:place><br>
> <a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><br>
> <a href="http://www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html" target="_blank">www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html</a><br>
> ***********************************************************<br>
><br>
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