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Thanks, Bill.<div><br></div><div>I think we should endorse the statement to NTIA since we haven't had a chance to file our own.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 8, 2009, at 4:00 AM, William Drake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I missed the suggestion below from Milton so am forwarding now.<div><br></div><div>The IGF Internet Governance Caucus, of which many of us here are members, is submitting comments to NTIA on the JPA. Since we didn't manage to do our own, I asked whether it was possible for NCUC to sign on to the IGC's, and people seemed fine with that. Unfortunately, comments are due today so we'd have to decide very quickly. </div><div><br></div><div>Would it be possible to get quick consensus on endorsing the statement below, or should we just let it go?</div><div><br></div><div>Bill<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" color="#000000" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica">"carlos a. afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@rits.org.br">ca@rits.org.br</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" color="#000000" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica">June 8, 2009 12:39:45 PM GMT+02:00</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" color="#000000" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica">"Non-Commercial Users Constituency Executive Committee & GNSO Reps. Discussion" <<a href="mailto:ncu-exec@ipjustice.org">ncu-exec@ipjustice.org</a>>, "Milton L Mueller" <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" color="#000000" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: [Ncu-exec] Fwd: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL - JPA statement</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="5" color="#000000" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 18.0px Helvetica">"Non-Commercial Users Constituency Executive Committee & GNSO Reps. Discussion" <<a href="mailto:ncu-exec@ipjustice.org">ncu-exec@ipjustice.org</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </div><div>Yes, I think NCUC should endorse it.<br><br>--c.a.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>><br>To: "Non-Commercial Users Constituency Executive Committee & GNSO Reps.<br>Discussion" <<a href="mailto:ncu-exec@ipjustice.org">ncu-exec@ipjustice.org</a>><br>Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 14:52:10 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Ncu-exec] Fwd: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL - JPA statement<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Sure, why not send this to the discuss list?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:ncu-exec-bounces@ipjustice.org">ncu-exec-bounces@ipjustice.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">[<a href="mailto:ncu-exec-bounces@ipjustice.org">mailto:ncu-exec-bounces@ipjustice.org</a>] On Behalf Of William Drake<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:48 AM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: NCUC EC-Council List<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [Ncu-exec] Fwd: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL - JPA statement<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">NCUC didn't manage amidst other stuff to do a statement on JPA. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Would we want to endorse the IGC statement? I doubt anyone in IGC<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">would object. But we'd have to decide quickly...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Just a thought, it'd be a small pity for NCUC to be silent.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">BD<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Begin forwarded message:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Ian Peter<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Date: June 5, 2009 11:54:35 PM GMT+02:00<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL - JPA statement<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Reply-To:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>,Ian Peter<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Below is the final statement we propose to send to DOC (and need to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">submit by June 8). Please indicate YES or NO as regards your support<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for this statement - if you have already indicated in the previous<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">draft a YES, there is no need to vote again (in the interests of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">email flow). At this stage I am assuming we have a consensus for this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">unless strong objections are raised in the next 48 hours.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">At this stage no amendments can be accepted which changes the meaning<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or emphasis of the text. However we can certainly consider simple<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">changes that clarify the expression if you feel strongly about them.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thank you everyone for your participation!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">DRAFT FOLLOWS<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The Internet Governance Caucus is a global coalition of civil society<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and non governmental organisations and individuals actively involved<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the UN's Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process. Formed during the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">lead up to the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), our<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">mission is to provide a forum for discussion, advocacy, action, and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for representation of civil society contributions in Internet<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">governance processes. We have several hundred members, with a wide<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">spread of geographic representation; more about our coalition can be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">found at <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org">www.igcaucus.org</a><<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org">http://www.igcaucus.org</a>>.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We are thankful for the opportunity to comment on the Joint Project<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Agreement (JPA) with ICANN, and respectfully submit as follows.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">In responding to your call for comments, we are mindful of the WSIS<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">principles, which " recognize that Internet governance, carried out<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">according to the Geneva principles, is an essential element for a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">people-centred, inclusive, development-oriented and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">non-discriminatory Information Society". We also recognise the need<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for high levels of global co-operation from all stakeholder groups to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ensure Internet stability and security.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On your question as regards the future of the JPA - The IGC firmly<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">believes that global co-operation will be enhanced by a transition<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">beyond the JPA to a situation where all stakeholders feel that they<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have equitable arrangements for participation, that ICANN is subject<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to due process procedures and is accountable to all stakeholders.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Therefore, the IGC believes that merely extending the current JPA<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">arrangement is not a lasting viable solution.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Some of us believe the JPA should be ended now, as it is an<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ineffective mechanism to deal with the problems that must be resolved<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to place ICANN on a viable long-term path forward. On the other hand,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">some of us believe that a time-limited extension of the JPA might be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the most effective means to ensure that ICANN does take on board<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">necessary changes.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Irrespective of when the JPA actually ends however, the IGC believes<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that it should be replaced by a new global accountability framework,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the development of which should commence as soon as possible in an<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">open, multistakeholder, transparent and inclusive process.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Also irrespective of whether the JPA continues or not, we believe<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that certain principles outlined below need to be embedded in ICANN's<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">operation. We believe these should be covered by an undertaking by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ICANN to perpetuate in its constitution, by laws, or some similar<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">accountability mechanism, the principles which follow. The principles<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">need to be embedded in such a way as to ensure they cannot easily be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">changed to exclude any stakeholder group. The principles which need<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to be permanently embedded are:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* bottom up co-ordination<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* balanced multi stakeholder representation, including civil<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">society interests and Internet users<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* ensuring the stability of the Internet<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* transparency<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* appropriate accountability mechanisms<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* continuing evolution of an effective and appropriate<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">governance model which is multilateral, multistakeholder, democratic,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and transparent<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* decision making driven by the public interest<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We also propose to replace "private sector management" with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">multistakeholder management, which has evolved from the World Summit<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on the Information Society and the Internet Governance Forum process<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">which the US Government has supported, and which is an important<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">facet, we believe, of effective internet governance arrangements.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We think the establishment of firm principles to guide the evolution<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of a model is the appropriate way to proceed. This should explicitly<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">recognize that ICANN is a global governance institution with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">regulatory authority over an industry (domain name registration) and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">over critical resources (IP addresses, root servers and addresses).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The standards of due process, rights, and accountability that apply<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to ICANN must be developed with these facts in mind.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Ian Peter and Ginger Paque, Co-coordinators, for the Internet<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Governance Caucus<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">____________________________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To be removed from the list, send any message to:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org">governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org</a><<a href="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@l">mailto:governance-unsubscribe@l</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ists.cpsr.org><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">For all list information and functions, see:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">***********************************************************</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">William J. Drake </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Senior Associate</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Centre for International Governance</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Graduate Institute of International and</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> Development Studies</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Geneva, Switzerland</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html">www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html</a></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">***********************************************************</div></div></div></div></div></div></span></span></div></span></div></span> </div><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></body></html>