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Hi Bill,<div><br></div><div>I agree that we should submit a response to this that discusses in detail the great wisdom of their SG proposal. However, I'd prefer that we not try to throw something together in 2 hours, but rather take some time and come up with a solid document. A response from the non-commercial users to the IPC's charge against us must be received by ICANN - even if it comes in 1 week after the public comment period.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 15, 2009, at 2:16 PM, William Drake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Robin,</div><div><br></div>Nice that they waited until the last minute to submit this, without ever seeking a discussion with us in any setting.<div><br></div><div>What's the precise cut off time for comments? It's what, 2pm in California, so there is some time before COB. If you have a little head space, why not write a short critique of the CSG Charter, such that it is? It's after 11pm here and I can't type any more today, but I'd support whatever you come up with. There's plenty to complain about starting with the first para, which claims the CSC represents "users;" the restrictive membership construction (e.g. how many individual entrepreneurs do they have, how representative, diverse, and "deserving" are they); and complete lack of clarity and development in their draft about essentially all institutional aspects (all those high-paid lawyers and this is the best they can do?), a point that should be hammered. Perhaps a new council shouldn't be seated until they clarify how they will select six reflecting the criteria we are alleged not to meet.</div><div><br></div><div>Just a thought.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><div><div>On Apr 15, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Robin Gross wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> <div>The IP Constituency submitted its comments today on the stakeholder group petitions.</div><div><br></div><div>See:</div><div> <a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/sg-petitions-charters/pdfyb62GoZM3w.pdf">http://forum.icann.org/lists/sg-petitions-charters/pdfyb62GoZM3w.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>It calls on the ICANN Board to deny the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group its rightful 6 council seats, claiming we aren't "representative" enough. The IPC complains because our counselors will remain seated after June (but doesn't mention that its own counselors will also remain seated). In fact, it didn't make any comments on its own proposals - it is only a slam on all non-commercial users proposals.</div><div><br></div><div>Wow. They really are desperate with this move.</div><div><br></div><div>Robin<br><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">***********************************************************</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">William J. 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