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Bill, <div><br></div><div>I agree with you and Milton on this. <div><br></div><div>Equal participation on a fair and balanced team is not an option since the trademark industry is itself in charge of the process and running the "team". It is not realistic to obtain competent participation from high level trademark experts without confirmed dates and other basic information about the commitment they are being asked to make to an ICANN process. Especially on such short notice.<br><div><br></div><div>We should direct the "team" towards the papers NCUC submitted just a year ago on this very issue from neutral trademark law professors <a href="http://ipjustice.org/wp/2007/06/06/farley-legal-briefing/">Christine Haight Farley</a> and <a href="http://ipjustice.org/wp/2007/06/06/lipton-legal-briefing/">Jaqui Lipton</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>And perhaps Konstantinos and Mary can work on a response to the proposal put forward by the "team". No doubt the proposal will be identical to what the trademark industry has been calling for in the various public comments, so we know what to expect.</div><div><br></div><div>The question will be how much weight will the "team's" proposal be given by the Board.<br><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 13, 2009, at 4:55 AM, William Drake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I have come to agree with Milton that we should not participate in this and should have a coordinated response to its outputs.<div><br></div><div>BD</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Robin Gross wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> <div>Another aspect of this "team" that I find astonishing is how ICANN is opening its wallet to fly the IPC and its friends around the world to put on their "sky is falling show", but sends ALAC members home from ICANN meetings a day early to save on travel expenses.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Robin Gross wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> Thanks, Bill,<div><br></div><div>It seems clear that IPC isn't really looking for a balanced team and is just looking for a team of itself to vocalize its own complaints.</div><div><br></div><div>It is not possible to ask someone to participate in a realistic way before tomorrow.</div><div><br></div><div>There is no information about what we would be asking people to do. All we know is that a team member must be willing to give up 2 "mystery weekends" between now and April (or is it mid-week?).</div><div><br></div><div>We don't know where. We don't know when. We don't know for how long. We don't have an agenda or anything that would make this meeting seem like a sincere effort to include others not in the IPC.</div><div><br></div><div>I can't imagine asking a reputable law professor to participate in this circus at this point.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:00 AM, William Drake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Well, this is interesting, in several respects...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Rosette, Kristina</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com">krosette@cov.com</a>></span><br> Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM<br>Subject: RE: [council] Nominations for IRT Participants<br>To: <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><br><br> <div style=""> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Hi Bill,</font></span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span> <div><span></span><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2">Unfortunately, extending the deadline is simply not possible given the deadlines provided by the Board in the resolution and the work that needs to be done. Moreover, a large number of people <span>from almost every constituency and some of the ACs had already contacted IPC members about participating and had been provided similar information to that set forth below. I posted the message</span> below in an effort to provide the information for dissemination to those who had not already contacted IPC members.<span> As for the Board's intent, I believe the language of the resolution speaks for itself.</span></font></font></font></div> <div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span></span></font></font></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span>Kristina </span></font></font></font></div> <div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"></font></font></font> </div></span></div><br> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px;"> <div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us"> <hr> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> William Drake [mailto:<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rosette, Kristina<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Nominations for IRT Participants<br></font><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"> <div></div>Hi Kristina, <div><br></div> <div>Thanks for this information, which I've just passed on to NCUC. However, I would strongly suggest that we extend the deadline to Monday or Tuesday. Notification at 11pm on the 11th of a 13th noon deadline is a very unworkable turnaround time if we are serious about getting strong applicants and engagement from all constituencies, as the board intends. Some people might not be reading mail today or be able to determine so quickly whether the workload fits with their schedule etc.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Thanks,</div> <div><br></div> <div>Bill</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Rosette, Kristina wrote:</div><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div><p><font face="Arial" size="2">All,</font> </p><p><font face="Arial" size="2">Because we've received a number of inquiries about nominations for IRT participants, we thought it would be helpful to provide the information below.</font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="2">Nominations for IRT participants should be sent to Steve Metalitz (IPC President), Ute, Cyril or me. Steve's email address is not on the Council page or the IPC home page so please contact me off-list if you would like it. </font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="2">The nominations must include:</font> </p><p><font face="Arial" size="2">1. The full name and contact information of the nominee (including the name of her/his employer and title); </font><br><font face="Arial" size="2">2. The ICANN Geographic Region(s) in which the nominee is a citizen and is a resident;</font> <br><font face="Arial" size="2">3. Identification of the nominee's knowledge, experience, and expertise in the fields of trademark, consumer protection, or competition law, and the interplay of trademarks and the domain name system;</font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="2">4. Identification of any financial ownership or senior management/leadership interest of the nominee in registries, registrars or other entities that are stakeholders or interested parties in ICANN or any entity with which ICANN has a transaction, contract, or other arrangement; </font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="2">5. State if the nominee would be representing any other party or person through her/his IRT participation and, if so, identify that party or person; and</font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="2">6. State if the nominee submitted public comments on the first draft of the DAG that provided proposed solutions to the trademark issues and, if so, attach a copy of those comments.</font></p><p><u><b><font face="Arial" size="2">We must receive all nominations not later than Friday, 13 March, at noon EDT</font></b></u><b></b><font face="Arial" size="2">. Because of the deadlines set forth by the Board in the resolution, it will be exceedingly difficult to consider any nominations submitted after that point. Also, based on very preliminary time lines, IRT participants should expect to spend</font><u> <font face="Arial" size="2">at least</font></u><font face="Arial" size="2"> 15 full business days (excluding travel time) in the next two months on the team's work.</font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="2">Kristina</font> </p></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div> </div><br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div> </div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></div></div></div></body></html>