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Bill,<div><br></div><div>On the Post-Expiry Domain Name Recovery issue, I don't think it matters too much whether the PDP vote happens on 8 Jan or 29 Jan. And further clarification on the specified issues would probably be helpful, although I don't know the specifics (or if it is just to cause delay).<div><br></div><div>On the "Registration Abuse" issue, I would recommend not voting in favor of any of those motions. So often pet projects of a constituency become a PDP by shear persistence of constantly putting it on the agenda and counselors mistakenly think they have to vote "yes" to initiate every PDP or WG that comes along. But more often then not, and when in doubt on how to vote, vote NO to initiate a new ICANN policy because more often than not it just a special interest package or non-technical policymaking. That's my experience at least.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Robin<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 17, 2008, at 9:59 AM, William Drake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Robin,<div><br></div><div>Thanks, this is helpful. </div><div><br></div><div>On Post-Expiration Domain Name Recovery, there's </div><div><br></div><div>1. a motion that a decision on whether to initiate a PDP be delayed until 29 Jan to allow the staff time to clarify some topics in the Issues Report, </div><div><br></div><div>2. a contingent motion from Avri, no seconds yet, that the Council consult constituencies in preparation for a vote on a PDP and other possible motions at the Council meeting on 8 January,</div><div><br></div><div>3. a Chuck Gomes alternative that a decision on whether to initiate a PDP be delayed until the staff clarify some differently specified issues by 29 January.</div><div><br></div><div>Do any of these seem congenial to the concerns you've expressed, or are you suggesting that we offer a different formulation (and if so, what)?</div><div><br></div><div>On Registration Abuse, there's a motion by Avri (not seconded yet) that a drafting team be formed to create a proposed charter for a working group to investigate the open issues in the issues report, and that the WG charter should be ready for review by the council on or before 15 January and voted on 29 January. There's also another by Avri, not yet seconded, calling for initiation of a PDP. So two speeds available now, plus contingent alternates if they fail.</div><div><br></div><div>On the RAA, there's been much detailed discussion among the industry folks on the council list, but I've not had time to read through the RAA and come to a clear view on who's pushing what why to what effect. The choices at present are motions 1) creating drafting team to create a proposed charter for a working group to investigate the open issues, 2) initiating a PDP, and contingent variants.</div><div><br></div><div>Would be good to know where we collectively stand on these before voting tomorrow.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 16, 2008, at 5:06 AM, Robin Gross wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div>Hi Bill,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks very much. The issue of most concern to the constituency that has a motion pending for Thursday is the Post-Expiration Domain Name Recovery Issues Report. We'd like to move forward with further exploring this issue within the GNSO since it seems some registrars may be abusing their position in the domain name chain and over-charging consumers for their domains when their registration lapses. I don't know the answers, but I think it is worth looking into since it may be an ICANN policy creating the abuse (if there is any).</div><div><br></div><div>The Registrations Abuse Policy is the Business Constituency's continued efforts to make anonymous Internet use impossible, so I'm not keen to move forward with that project.</div><div><br></div><div>Can anyone else comment on the Registrar Accreditation Agreement motion pending? RAA hasn't been a major issue for NCUC, so maybe someone else who has been following that issue more closely can comment on it.</div><div><br></div><div>Any other comments on any of this issues pending before the GNSO? Especially the Post-Expiration Domain Name Recovery issue? I'd be glad to see a NCUC representative introduce a motion, or second a motion on this issue. It was originally raised by ALAC, but I do not think that (technically) ALAC can introduce or 2nd it on the council.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:59 AM, William Drake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> Hi,<div><br></div><div>The Council has a meeting on Thursday and there a number of motions on the table concerning the Registrar Accreditation Agreement, Registrations Abuse Policy, and Post-Expiration Domain Name Recovery.<a href="https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?18_dec_2008_motions"></a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?18_dec_2008_motions">https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?18_dec_2008_motions</a></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; 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font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If anyone has any input on these issues and how NCUC reps might address them, please let us know.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Bill</div></div></div></div></div></div></span></span></span></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">***********************************************************</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">William J. Drake </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Senior Associate</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Centre for International Governance</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Graduate Institute of International and</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> Development Studies</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Geneva, Switzerland</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">New book: <i>Governing Global Electronic Networks,</i></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5mh9jj">http://tinyurl.com/5mh9jj</a></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">***********************************************************</div></div></div></div></div></div></span></span></span> </div><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></div></div></body></html>