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color=#0000ff size=2>thanks for asking, Bill. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>I think most of us were pretty much agreed that Whois
studies were a delaying tactic the U.S. successfully used to prevent the GNSO
from taking any action on privacy, and to give the IPR interests a new stick
with which to beat the privacy-proxy services of the registrars. Typically ncuc
and the registrars are against these studies altogether. for a while, the
registries were, too. however, verisign (either as a corp or perhaps due to the
personality of Chuck Gomes) is less privacy-friendly and more law
enforcement/trademark friendly than the other registries, and seems to have
turned them around. furthermore, GNSO politics have turned the idea of
proposals into a fairly complicated thing (ask Avri why). This caused the
GAC to ridicule the gNSO in Cairo and may even cause it to bypass it
altogether and go directly to the Board to ask for studies. my advice
is, push with the registrars for no studies; failing that, pick one or two
that actually contribute something new to the debate, such as: how many gTLD
registrants are actually natural persons?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>I had a very intense conversation/debate with William Dee
of the EU about this in Cairo. I asked him how empirical studies about, say,
whether 24% or 34% of the registrants in .com are natural persons in any way
affects the principle that natural persons must have their private info shielded
according to EU law. He couldn't answer that, of course.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Milton Mueller<BR>Professor, Syracuse University School of
Information Studies<BR>XS4All Professor, Delft University of
Technology<BR>------------------------------<BR>Internet Governance
Project:<BR><A
href="http://internetgovernance.org/">http://internetgovernance.org</A><BR></FONT></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Non-Commercial User Constituency
[mailto:NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>William
Drake<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:40 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
NCUC-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NCUC-DISCUSS] GNSO
representation & WHOIS<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Hello,</DIV>
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<DIV>A priori one would think that besides offering our own perspectives, one
of the functions of the three GNSO reps ought to be to solicit views from NCUC
members and convey the sense of the group within relevant GNSO
discussions. I don't know what the practice and understanding was here
previously, and would be interested to hear from people as to what model
to follow.</DIV>
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<DIV>Since Mary and I were added during Cairo, there's been a rather
dauntingly high volume of traffic on the GNSO council list, a good deal
of which pertains to possible decisions on immediate action items (see for
example <A
href="http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-action-list.pdf">http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-action-list.pdf</A>).
One issue of presumably strong local interest concerns WHOIS and the
recommendations advanced by the registries constituency, see below.
Would people have some thoughts on this that Mary, Carlos and I should
be conveying?</DIV>
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<DIV>Should we as a matter of course pass along all similar requests
for constituency views and such?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
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<DIV>Bill</DIV>
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size=5><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Helvetica"
face=Helvetica size=5>Glen de Saint Géry <<A
href="mailto:Glen@icann.org">Glen@icann.org</A>></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 18px Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)" face=Helvetica color=#000000
size=5><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Helvetica"
face=Helvetica size=5>November 23, 2008 2:36:57 PM GMT+01:00</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 18px Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)" face=Helvetica color=#000000
size=5><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Helvetica"
face=Helvetica size=5>"<A
href="mailto:ntfy-gnso-council@icann.org">ntfy-gnso-council@icann.org</A>"
<<A
href="mailto:ntfy-gnso-council@icann.org">ntfy-gnso-council@icann.org</A>></FONT></DIV>
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size=5><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 18px Helvetica"
face=Helvetica size=5><B>Reminder:WHOIS discussion/next
steps</B></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Dear Councillors,</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Reminder, please respond if you have not already
done so.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">The Council agreed on Thursday 20 to schedule a
WHOIS meeting.</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Constituencies are requested to work on
prioritization and view points on the proposed working model:</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> <A
href="http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/gnso-whois-study-recommendations-ryc-29oct08.pdf">http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/gnso-whois-study-recommendations-ryc-29oct08.pdf</A></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">in preparation for the
meeting.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">William J. Drake </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Senior Associate</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Centre for International Governance</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Graduate Institute of International and</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> Development Studies</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Geneva, Switzerland</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A
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