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<div>Hi Adam,</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Yes, this isn't an issue that NCUC is as hot-under-the-collar about as other constituencies and SO's are. From my perspective are very open to the possibility of deleting the add/grace period and we are also open to a re-stocking fee. We only voted to *launch* a PDP (i.e begin the work). It would extremely premature to decide today (before the studies have been done) what is the right "fix" for the "problem" that hasn't even been sufficiently defined yet. One proposal that was put forward in the report was to prevent tasting by making all registered trademarked words off-limits for domain name registration (by any one other than the federally registered owner)!!*$%#@!</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>So I am concerned about the blind and zealous desire to kill tasting at any cost that I see coming from others. That could be my free expression rights left on the cutting room floor in our blind desire to kill tasting. I want to see the facts, the studies, the evidence, -- and then weigh differing approaches before deciding what policy to approve. </div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Robin</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><div><div>On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:12 AM, Adam Peake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Milton, thanks for the answer.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Not an issue I've managed to get very excited about.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>For a user wanting to buy a meaningful/useful name, well... they aren't the ones involved here (those are already parked.)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">But I don't see the benefit argument -- If I make a mistake when paying for a $9 ($10, $20) item. Tough.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Not as if registering a name doesn't give you a few chances before clicking "pay".<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>That it was not part of any policy development process or discussion also makes it weak (a few DNSO or GNSO folk sitting around thinking "this would be nice, let's tag it on some policy process" is not good.)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'd suggest removing the AGP because it's bad policy and bad policy process. But won't get very upset either way.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">OK to forward your reply to the At Large list?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Adam</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">At 5:18 AM -0500 1/8/08, Milton L Mueller wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Was Evan at the ALAC-NCUC meeting where we discussed this at some</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">length? Has he read our complete comments? (Can't blame him if the</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">answer is no, because there are so many rounds of comments at different</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">times and in different places that it would be easy to miss. Robin, can</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">you dig them up?)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">First, I would recommend informing him that someone who disagrees with</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">his particular position is not necessarily unconcerned about the public</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">interest. Indeed, one reason we were unwilling to jump on the anti-AGP</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">bandwagon was precisely that we saw only a few special interests for it</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">and not a big public interest rationale. On the whole, the issue affects</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">noncommercial registrants and the general public hardly at all.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Further, his grasp of the political and economic interests seems a bit</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">shaky. In our experience, it has been the registries (aside from</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">VeriSign) and in particular Afilias-associated registries who were</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">screaming most loudly about AGP. Some registries have complained about</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the cost of handling all the traffic associated with short-term</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">registrations. This is a valid argument, but it was quickly and</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">adequately addressed by imposing fees (as PIR did). If the registries</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">have stopped supporting elimination of AGP, it is probably because the</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">imposition of "re-stocking fees" addresses the infrastructure burden</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">problem more than adequately.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">He should not be surprised about the Business constituency position,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">because they are all about regulating the domain name market as strongly</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">as possible to protect trademarks. Many businesses see domainers as</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">contributing to typosquatting. So they are more than happy to eliminate</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">business opportunities for small speculators, regardless of whether</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">there are other ways to eliminate typosquatting (there are), just as</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">they would be more than happy to eliminate all new TLDs in order to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">protect trademarks. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The "possible" benefit of ADP to registrants is the one that originally</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">motivated creating it: providing a cost-free way to correct mistakes.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Our take on this issue is that the attack on AGP is basically an attack</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">on domainers; i.e., on making a business out of pay per click based on</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">popular domain names. We don't view domaining per se as a problem. As</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've said (and this may be not shared by some on the list) we are the</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">non-commercial constituency not the "anti-commercial" constituency. If</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the problems of typosquatting are addressed by litigation (and they have</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">been) and the problems of registry infrastructure burden are addressed</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">by the fees, we just don't see the point of eliminating AGP altogether,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">what does it accomplish that serves the public interest?</div> </blockquote></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>