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Marc,<br>
It sometimes takes organizations awhile to respond, particularly if they
are responding to you as a consticuency leader not a registrant. <br>
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I think it is better to assume good faith as an initial matter. Once a dialog
commences, the lag time for response is certainly something to bring up.<br>
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PIR has generally tried to be a good actor in the space, as far as I can
tell. There are several very reliable public interest advocates involved
on its board and its advisory board, as well as an official designated representative
from the consticuency to the advisory board. Rather than transfer anger
from VRSN to PIR, I think we should give them a little longer to reply.<br>
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Harold<br>
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Marc Schneiders wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, at 23:18 [=GMT+0900], Adam Peake wrote:<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">Great.<br><br>Except, did you get a reply from PIR about why they are planning to<br>delete the IDNs?<br></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!----><br>I did ask PIR in an email. I received no reply. This is days back.<br>Tucows was also going to ask PIR and get back to us. Nothing. This is<br>exactly how PIR handled the first stage, when they stopped the working<br>DNS of IDN org's: Try to let the story die a natural death. And evade<br>questions by referring to privacy of customers and other excuses.<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">Do they work (published in the zone file? dates<br>for this?), do the follow new IETF standards, do they work without<br>plugins, etc, as the new IDNs do (will do?).<br></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!----><br>ORG IDNs stopped working without any notice in March 2003.<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">Unless you're very sure you're right, PIR are wrong, I think it may<br>be unnecessary to include a specific reference to an incident like<br>this in a policy recommendation. Complain to PIR by all means, but I<br>do not think this is appropriate place for it, and it does not<br>reflect discussion in the thread "PIR and stability and consumer<br>protection?"<br></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!----><br>Well, complaining to PIR does not help. I've tried that in the past.<br>See discussions on this list and others. (Google: Marc Schneiders<br>PIR.)<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">(I am on the PIR advisory council so perhaps I'm "conflicted". Yes, I<br>have asked about this matter --before seeing the draft statement<br>you've just sent-- and hope for a reply in a few days.)<br></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!----><br>I do not understand why this should take a few days. I do know that<br>all answers I got from PIR in the past were evasive.<br><br>I am amazed that you as a member of the adv. council do not already<br>know about this deletion. Did they not ask your opinion?<br><br>And if it is not true, I would be even more amazed that there is no<br>reply.<br><br><br></pre>
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