[NCUC-DISCUSS] Updates on ICANN67
Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele
muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
Wed Mar 4 22:36:23 CET 2020
I do hope ICANN consider a post remote participation survey to get some
feedback.
Caleb Ogundele
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 5:19 PM Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Thanks for jumping in, and long time no see Marilia! Indeed these are
> great questions, and we will convey this in our discussion with the board
> next week. We raised the issue of striking at working group to look at how
> to improve virtual meetings, particularly important given the distinct
> possibility that ICANN68 will also be cancelled if this virus continues to
> be problematic.
>
> Even if we cannot get a community-wide effort to mobilize on the points
> you raise, in my view we have to do it for NCSG because we are largely
> volunteers and are hit hard by the cancellation of face to face
> opportunities to build coalitions and policy positions.
>
> Stephanie Perrin
>
> NCSG Chair
> On 2020-03-03 11:41 a.m., Marilia Maciel wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Long time :) I could not resist to jump in, since remote participation
> (RP) is a very dear topic to me. This was actually how I started to be
> actively involved in Internet Governance back in 2007. After the IGF that
> year, myself and a bunch of other youth (hey Rafik! :) that had been
> supported to attend the meeting found ourselves with no support to continue
> involved and we decided to work on improving remote participation at the
> IGF. The adoption of a new platform, a more consistent methodology and IGF
> hubs followed this effort.
>
> The sad Corona developments and the climate change crisis are creating a
> new momentum in which enhanced RP has become a necessity. We need to 'save'
> traveling for when traveling is strictly needed. A lot of improvements have
> been achieved with RP in the last years. The whole experience was
> disappointing and jittery back in 2007. Technology made large progress.
> Methodology and know-how made some progress too. ICANN could provide a
> remarkable testbed for the future of RP in this Corona and climate-aware
> world. ICANN has three incredible assets: financial and technical
> resources, and a pre-existing highly organised community.
>
> - Does ICANN have a strategic plan for this first time ever all-online
> meeting? Can we access it, comment on it, make suggestions?
>
> - Does this strategy include technical elements as well as human
> considerations? A flawless platform is not everything. People need to feel
> engaged, motivated, immersed. These are human and psychological aspects.
>
> - Does ICANN have a contact person responsible for this strategy?Someone
> who's taking the lead? Could we contact this person to share our thoughts
> and concerns?
>
> - Can we expect that people will be given days-off from their jobs to
> attend this online meeting? With the exception of the time needed to
> actually travel, RP requires as much time and engagement as physical
> meetings. If people are not allowed time off, their attention will
> naturally be elsewhere. Perhaps our colleagues from other constituencies
> will be exempted from work obligations to attend the online meeting, but
> will NCSG members? Could ICANN help, for example, by providing a letter
> that could be shared with the hierarchy in our jobs explaining why this
> meeting will be online and that it will require as much dedication as a
> physical meeting? Sometimes institutional backing helps.
>
> - I agree it is difficult to expect that people will put alarms in the
> middle of the night and wander alone like zombies in their homes following
> an online meeting. Is there still a chance to organise local ICANN hubs
> (they could be backed by local ISPs, ISOC chapters etc), in which people
> gather together in a physical place to take part in ICANN? The advantage
> would be to maintain at least the local networking element, to make the
> experience a bit more convivial, etc.
>
> - It is still expected that some people will only be partially available
> during the day. Life kicks-in, there are kids to pick up and feed, for
> example. How can NCSG organise preparatory thematic meetings to discuss
> substance and positions in advance, so these people have the chance to
> voice their opinions in a way that is duly summarised and conveyed by
> NCSG's leadership during the meeting?
>
> Time is very short, but just a few questions for reflection.
>
> Looking forward to the experiment and to connecting with you.
> Best,
> Marilia
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:04 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I dont know if we need a later-the-same-day-discussion and, as I pointed
>> out in my previous email, what we are trying to address here is a problem
>> we already face with the normal onsite meetings which is bridging our
>> onsite participation with the one on remote.
>>
>> Schedule is out now <https://meetings.icann.org/en/remote67> and we have
>> around 70 sessions, if im not forgetting any. But given that this time the
>> meeting will be hosted roughly on 8 zoom rooms, with two of them only for
>> either French or spanish speakers, to be used by GAC or ALAC. this adds a
>> language barrier to our meetings or even some of the PDPs. Hence our idea
>> of sharing information more actively on the list, but Im not too sure of
>> what the model should really be.
>>
>> Best,
>> B
>>
>> Le lun. 2 mars 2020 à 11:42, Niels ten Oever <lists at digitaldissidents.org>
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>
>>> It might be me but, why do we need a later-the-same-day discussion
>>> group? Ppl can put their alarm clock and stay up, in the same way as they
>>> would with 'normal' or 'normal-remote' participation? Otherwise we could
>>> perhaps be a bit more verbose in the chatlog in our public channel so
>>> people can read the chatlogs?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Niels
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/2/20 3:04 PM, Stephanie E Perrin wrote:
>>> > Well that sounds like you are volunteering to help organize a
>>> later-that-same-day discussion group, Niels! :-D
>>> >
>>> > I think we need to do something to engage folks who are outside the
>>> time zones (09:00-17:00 EST or Cancun time) as otherwise, we are stuck
>>> listening to Zoom tapes. The transcription on Zoom must be robotic, it is
>>> really pretty bad, so we need to help folks understand what when on that
>>> day IMO.
>>> >
>>> > Stephanie
>>> >
>>> > On 2020-03-02 6:41 a.m., Niels ten Oever wrote:
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> I am actually very excited about the remote meeting, since the
>>> existing practice of a traveling circus does not really seem the best way
>>> to create an inclusive and sustainable environment. I'd much rather shift
>>> my times at home than traveling all around the world to do the same.
>>> >>
>>> >> What are the current chat / discussion channels and platforms people
>>> use to discuss and navigate the meeting?
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >>
>>> >> Niels
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 3/2/20 6:07 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>>> >>> I totally agree that, at this point we are facing a first time
>>> experiment and it may not be as problematic to collapse the NCSG, NCUC or
>>> NPOC meetings. But if the COVID situation continues to spread, we will most
>>> likely face another virtual meeting and maybe it would interesting for us
>>> as a Constituency and Stakeholder group to reassess this experience and
>>> check what worked or not. As well as how to ensure participation
>>> considering thelimited resources for translation services <
>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/language-services-at-icann67?fbclid=IwAR3YQXqWvnt4lH8UXSTwvPSMW4bUAZRkKnofdLM9Vz5mdIiyRQURK4GnssY#.Xlu8mylZ8M0.facebook>,
>>> for an example.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My decision on cancelling the NCUC meetings was due to the fact that
>>> we have members in a lot of places and adding the weight of Constituency
>>> Meetings to this first experience could make it a bit harder - due to the
>>> different timezones. Therefore the idea of hosting a members call a few
>>> weeks later for us to reassess icann67 seemed like a better idea.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In some ways, this experience might indeed be positive. Generally
>>> speaking, those of us attending meetings onsite tend to get really caught
>>> up with the work and f2f interactions that finding easy and authentic ways
>>> of reporting the meetings to remote participants is something long overdue.
>>> As mentioned by @Stephanie Perrin <mailto:stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca>,
>>> maybe we can think of a way to help people who wont be able to be online
>>> and participate at the meeting live - I would like to offer the Blog space
>>> at ncuc.org <http://ncuc.org> for anyone willing to write short
>>> summaries of the sessions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best,
>>> >>> Bruna Santos
>>> >>> NCUC Chair
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Le sam. 29 févr. 2020 à 17:19, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu
>>> <mailto:milton at gatech.edu>> a écrit :
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks to Bruna for keeping us updated on what is going on with
>>> the all-virtual meeting, I guess we can call it the Zoom meeting.
>>> Appreciate the explanation, and agree with many of your criticisms. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> But in one sense I think is fine to collapse the NCSG and NCUC
>>> meetings. I would not call that an abandonment of the NCUC, let’s just call
>>> it a merger. I hope you as well as NPOC can stick some of their own things
>>> into the agenda. And it don’t hurt us to discuss those things together.
>>> Everyone knows I don’t believe there should be separate constituencies
>>> anyway, just the unified SG. So it might do us good to meet together. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In that sense I agree with Benjamin that we can make lemonade
>>> out of this lemon and maybe make use of the opportunity to improve the
>>> multistakeholder model ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dr. Milton L Mueller____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Georgia Institute of Technology____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> School of Public Policy____
>>> >>>
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>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *From:*Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
>>> <mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org>> *On Behalf Of *Benjamin
>>> Akinmoyeje
>>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 10:00 PM
>>> >>> *To:* Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:
>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>
>>> >>> *Cc:* NCUC Discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:
>>> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Updates on ICANN67____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dear Chair,____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you for the update. It is indeed a challenge, just like
>>> every experiment is. Change is always constant, also in the face of the
>>> health challenges, the world faces at this present time. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Maybe we can make some lemonade out of this lemon without
>>> hurting the MS model and rather improve it.____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kind regards,____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Benjamin____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:59 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>> wrote:____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We just got off another planning call, and with some new
>>> updates:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 1. Number of sessions has been cut down from over 300
>>> sessions to less than 75 - all in UTC-5. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2. Upon request ICANN can provide zoom rooms with live
>>> translation to both French and Spanish. But we need to gather within our
>>> constituency whether there will be interest for any of the channels just so
>>> ICANN can set up one for NCSG or if we could just join the ones being
>>> facilitated to ALAC and GAC.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Please let me or @Maryam Bakoshi <mailto:
>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> know if you would like to attend the meeting
>>> from either one of the channels - Spanish or French ones. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best regards, ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bruna Santos ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Le ven. 28 févr. 2020 à 12:23, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>> a écrit :____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dear NCUC,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I just wanted to write you a short update on the
>>> upcoming ICANN virtual meeting. As you're all aware, recently ICANN decided
>>> to no longer host an onsite meeting and gave their staff and the Community
>>> Leaders the - impossible - challenge of organizing in two weeks an virtual
>>> meeting that should attempt at reproducing what would've been the schedule
>>> of ICANN67.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On that note some important things:
>>> >>> (a) NCUC will no longer host any sessions during this
>>> virtual meeting. On the interest of time and already foreseeing some
>>> difficulties our members might have in following this meeting, we will host
>>> our Members and EC session at a later date. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> (b) ICANN67 Schedule will be shorter. Comm leaders were
>>> asked to only keep strictly necessary sessions and the consensus around the
>>> group was to keep mostly PDPs, Review Teams or any other Cross-community
>>> work we deemed necessary.
>>> >>> (c) Timezone will be Cancun TImezone - UTC -5 - and the
>>> meeting will run for shorter hours than normal, from 9h00 to 17h00. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> (d) Live Translation Services will only be provided for
>>> English to Spanish + some live transcripts that could be translated. We
>>> understand that decision should be slightly exclusionary for other
>>> communities such as the Francophone community and maybe we could think of
>>> ways of having our french speakers writing up summaries of the sessions to
>>> be shared on the list. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> With regards to the final schedule I believe ICANN
>>> should be able to provide us a new one by the beginning of next week.____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Last but not least, I would like to highlight how
>>> problematic this experiment has been. Of course it is a first time for
>>> ICANN and for us volunteers, but the decision of adapting the entire
>>> schedule in two weeks is ambitious to say the least. I also fear that this
>>> experiment ends up harming the MS model we have built ICANN around, whether
>>> virtual or onsite, a lot of the communities interactions are being
>>> sacrificed on behalf of this first experiment and I just hope we get to
>>> have an onsite Kuala Lumpur meeting as well as a broader community
>>> discussions about this first virtual meeting. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> While I highly appreciate all the efforts being made by
>>> David Olive, Tanzanica, the meetings team and Maryam in making sure our
>>> priority meetings do make it to the schedule, (personal thought) I would've
>>> wished for ICANN to just call this meeting of or even postpone it for us to
>>> have a bit more time in discussing with our constituents what the
>>> priorities should be and how to better adjust the schedule. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I will keep you all posted when there are more updates
>>> on the virtual meeting. ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best Regards,
>>> >>> ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -- ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> */Bruna Martins dos Santos /*____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> @boomartins____
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -- ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> */Bruna Martins dos Santos /*____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> __ __
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> @boomartins____
>>> >>>
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