[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?

Wed Dec 28 08:37:52 CET 2016

All,

Thank you for commenting on this.

We did not sign up for the previous round of the document development pilot
project. The project is going to be evaluated, we can all comment on and
see what others have done and then decide if the program resumes to sign up
for it or not.

But we need to finalize the discussion at some point and know the best
course of action to be taken if the program resumes. We need to also work
on alternative programs in the meanwhile and see if we can successfully
implement a policy document and research development program regardless of
this pilot program.

The former EC had prepared a google doc for consultation about this issue.
You can find the link here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UeheZGySQ4ZtXZxxBnbIXwlHtoiHZ
hpmq6u0CxLIK0M/edit#

I have made some changes and additions to it. I encourage everyone to add
to its sections by* Mid February*. You can also copy paste your ideas from
this thread into the document. The executive committee will then consider
how to implement the alternative suggestions received by the members as
well as decide on whether we will sign up for an ICANN sponsored policy
document development program if it resumes (this decision will be made
after the first pilot program is reviewed).

1.Purpose of this document (as previously stated by the former NCUC Chair):
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UeheZGySQ4ZtXZxxBnbIXwlHtoiHZhpmq6u0CxLIK0M/edit#heading=h.rhiejbh8oq76>

2. Where do we need help and what do we need help with?
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UeheZGySQ4ZtXZxxBnbIXwlHtoiHZhpmq6u0CxLIK0M/edit#heading=h.m8do34b3kqul>

3. Advantages of policy support provided by ICANN
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UeheZGySQ4ZtXZxxBnbIXwlHtoiHZhpmq6u0CxLIK0M/edit#heading=h.j4wgq9inrwvk>

4. Disadvantages of policy support provided by ICANN
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UeheZGySQ4ZtXZxxBnbIXwlHtoiHZhpmq6u0CxLIK0M/edit#heading=h.xwvgs6i0gtru>

5. How should ICANN Sponsored Policy Program be used
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UeheZGySQ4ZtXZxxBnbIXwlHtoiHZhpmq6u0CxLIK0M/edit#heading=h.cqdjqvdh9o6b>

Inputs from NCUC list (discussed in April 2016)
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UeheZGySQ4ZtXZxxBnbIXwlHtoiHZhpmq6u0CxLIK0M/edit#heading=h.do2y5jvry4m8>
6. What are the alternatives to ICANN sponsored policy programs
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UeheZGySQ4ZtXZxxBnbIXwlHtoiHZhpmq6u0CxLIK0M/edit#heading=h.7888wuz8k61v>

I might start a new thread if we do not receive many comments in the google
doc.

If you have trouble accessing the Google doc please do let me know, I will
send you a word document.

Best

Farzaneh

Farzaneh

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> I think you have hit the nail on the head here Ayden.  I am extremely wary
> of accepting policy advice from contractors we have not selected
> ourselves.  However, your last line in my view sums up the double jeopardy
> we are in here, we cannot keep up with the training required to keep people
> all functioning at a high level, able to draft excellent comments, plus do
> all our own research, plus our process management.....we are indeed being
> stretched thin and I don't see things getting better anytime soon.  A good
> topic for discussion.
>
> Stephanie Perrin
>
> On 2016-12-23 05:32, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing your views here, Arsène and Nadira. I am really glad we
> are having this discussion again, and hope that the EC will involve us in
> its discussions in the New Year over what level of involvement or
> organisational support we would like to receive. I just wanted to clarify,
> however, that this programme is separate to the pilot community onboarding
> programme, as I think the two are being conflated. The pilot community
> onboarding programme is working to provide new volunteer talent with a
> faster entrance into the ICANN community, and is being developed
> internally. This programme, administered externally by WBC Global, is
> intended to support our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development
> processes. What works for other constituencies and stakeholder groups may
> not work for us, but my understanding is that others are using this support
> now to aid in their policy work. Of course it would be unwise to think of
> this offer of assistance from ICANN as help without strings attached — we
> should think carefully about what support we are happy to accept, and how
> we can ensure we do not become inappropriately dependent upon it. But we do
> need additional support, and if we continue to decline the assistance of
> paid external consultants while others, already with more resources then us
> accept it, we may only exacerbate our disadvantages.
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
> participating in it?
> Local Time: 23 December 2016 9:31 AM
> UTC Time: 23 December 2016 09:31
> From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com
> To: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com> <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
> Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org> <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>
> Thanks Ayden for good memories.
> I think Farzi has set a good timeline in her last message. Let's see what
> will be the outcomes of step 1, 2 as described and then decide whether
> worth implementing.
>
> Nadira raises a good point. We may need to also dig what other
> constituencies have been able to do with such a pilot program and maybe
> build from their experience.
> After all, any program that aims to help members be well equiped in policy
> disussion or research should be welcomed (of course after being checked).
> This should be the starting point to ensure new members are able to engage
> in ICANN work.
>
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> 2016-12-23 0:06 GMT+02:00 Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Ayden,
>> Thanks to Farzaneh for considering the pilot program.
>> To my understanding that constituencies didn't use their pilot program
>> for policy research but to document an introduction for new commers in how
>> to get engaged in the community.
>> Until now didn't read any  report about the outcome of its first round.
>>
>> Worth checking,
>> Nadira
>>
>> On 22 Dec 2016 14:41, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this up.
>>
>> Next year in January, we will do the following 1. Assessing whether  we
>> can participate in the pilot if renewed. 2. Coming up with our own ideas
>> for receinving policy receving assistance.
>> 3. Implementation ( this might happen in Feb or March)
>>
>> On 22 Dec 2016 7:29 a.m., "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this update and for sharing your perspective on this issue.
>>>
>>> I am glad to hear that the EC will re-evaluate whether or not we choose
>>> to participate in this pilot programme. At my second ICANN meeting in
>>> Marrakech, I remember listening to Kathy Kleiman brilliantly communicate to
>>> the Board that we needed to build our capacity to absorb an increased,
>>> growing, and specialised workload. When this pilot programme was announced,
>>> it felt to me like our calls had been heard and resources were being
>>> offered to boost our participation in ICANN activities. Now it seems like
>>> other, already-better resourced constituencies and stakeholder groups are
>>> benefiting from this programme while we turned it down… do forgive me if I
>>> am oversimplifying things… I just think a better path forward would be if
>>> participated in the pilot programme and set our own parametres around
>>> what support we would accept and what support we would find unsuitable.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
>>> participating in it?
>>> Local Time: 22 December 2016 12:11 PM
>>> UTC Time: 22 December 2016 12:11
>>> From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>> To: matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org>
>>> NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>
>>> We didn't continue discussing it and in the end did not sign up for it
>>> for this time. I am now looking into if there will be another opportunity
>>> to sign up for it in the future.
>>>
>>> The EC has to decide on this, one way or another we are going to come up
>>> with  ways to support policy research in the new year. (Even through other
>>> means but that's for next year)
>>>
>>> Just that you know my opinion about using such services: I do not see
>>> any problem as long as it is supervised and the researchers do not put in
>>> their own opinion in docs. But that's my personal opinion and need to
>>> discuss with EC.
>>>
>>> On 22 Dec 2016 06:20, "matthew shears" <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Didn't we reject this option when it was presented to us?  Unfortunately
>>>
>>> On 22/12/2016 11:19, James Gannon wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh great point, I had forgotten. Whats the status on this?
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf of
>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> *Date: *Thursday 22 December 2016 at 11:01
>>> *To: *NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>> *Subject: *[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
>>> participating in it?
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Whatever happened to that ICANN pilot programme which was to offer
>>> selected constituencies and stakeholder groups assistance with policy
>>> research and document drafting? I remember being told in Helsinki its
>>> launch was imminent, and had an excellent discussion with a consultant from
>>> WBC Global about it. Are there any updates?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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