[ncdnhc-discuss] Raul will be our Structure representative

Sun Nov 25 19:51:51 CET 2001

Dear Chun:

Argue what?  which position?  

The are rules already setted up within the Names Council regarding
composition of Task Forces, Committess and Working Groups. When I was
talking about Phillip answer, I wanted to mean
that since the rules of the specific Task Force on Structure indicates
that only one per constituency will be allowed
to participate, then it is logical to think that it won't be allowed two
representatives from the NCDNHC even in a non-voting status.

I think you are mixing the general concept about the NCDNHC opposing
against Task Forces and Committees with Terms of References regarding
one specific Task Forces 

I think that actually the NCDNHC hasn't developed yet an official
position regarding Task Forces, Committess and Working Groups.  If it is
wanted to develop such positions, I propose that we discuss it in the
list the proposals that may you
and Adam have to tell to the NCDNHC members, and vote on them.  After
such voting, the NCDNHC Names Council members are
able to expose such motion in the Names Council.  

Do we also place in the agenda discussion about Task Forces, Committees
and Working Groups?

Best Regards
Vany

Chun Eung Hwi wrote:
> 
> Dear Vany,
> 
> Now, there is no final ToR of that TF.
> And as a NCDNHC representative of Names Council, your responsibility is to
> argue our position as NCDNHC, but not to wait for Chair's answer.
> Furthermore, it should never acquiesce the closed pattern of discussion
> preferred by other constituencies.
> It is just comment period for the suggested ToR of the TF of Structure. It
> ends on 28 Nov.
> And my comment on the issue of TF vs. WG has been suggested as a clear
> comment on the proposed ToR of the TF, but not as an idea of resolution of
> NCDNHC.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chun Eung Hwi
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Chun Eung Hwi
> General Secretary, PeaceNet | phone:     (+82) 2- 583-3033
> Seoul Yangchun P.O.Box 81   |   pcs:     (+82) 019-259-2667
> Seoul, 158-600, Korea       | eMail:   ehchun at peacenet.or.kr
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> 
> > Hi Chun:
> >
> > I just wanted to be informative of the actual ToR of the TF on
> > Structure, and that due to such ToR, another person, in my understanding
> > of such ToRs (lets wait Philip Sheppard answer), only one person per
> > constituency can compose the TF.  However, the mailing list of the TF on
> > Structure is public so I don't see any obstacle for any individual
> > (perhaps you, I, any other member) that wants to colaborate to go and
> > read the mailing list
> > and then make all contributions in our discussion list.
> >
> > Of course, that the issue of TF vs WG  we can discuss in general if you
> > want to bring the issue to the NCDNHC and even make resolutions about it
> > to be delivered to the NC.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Vany
> >
> >
> > Chun Eung Hwi wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Vany and others,
> > >
> > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> > >
> > > > The actual ToR of NC TF on Structure (which is now under comments period
> > > > by the members of this TF) you can find them in:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-str/Arc00/
> > > >
> > > > I propose that all those NCDNHC members that want to contribute with the
> > > > work of TF on Structure, read the mailing list through the web, which
> > > > is public at http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-str/Arc00/  and discuss
> > > > any contribution to be made through NCDNHC discussion list.
> > >
> > > Vany, what you are proposing? Regardless of your proposal, it has already
> > > worked in that way.
> > >
> > > In reading your writing, I thought one additional comment on the present
> > > ToR of Structure TF. As Adam Peake and some others raised up before, the
> > > present NC Task Force vs. Working Group should be discussed in terms of
> > > "the efficacy of policy making within the DNSO". The present ToR shows up
> > > that the efficacy of policy making should be reviewed only in the possible
> > > new relations among future Supporting Organizations. However, regarding
> > > "the efficacy of policy making within the DNSO", Working Group is much
> > > more important. In last DNSO Review discussions, it had been repeatedly
> > > confirmed. Nevertheless, the present ToR is losing it. Concretely, if WG
> > > could be a indispensable requirement for all SOs for making more bottom-up
> > > consensus, the efficacy of policy making could be achieved.
> > >
> > > In my view, the fundamental reason bearing useless time consuming for our
> > > debate on selecting representative in TF of NC is the relatively closed TF
> > > pattern of policy making procedure. In fact, this topic of Structure
> > > should have been discussed in a form of WG rather than TF. In that
> > > respect, Names Council is avoiding WG formation. Therefore, NCDNHC should
> > > argue more open discussion structure rather than repeatedly proposing more
> > > closed pattern of discussion that has already been set up and working
> > > within Names Council.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Chun Eung Hwi
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Chun Eung Hwi
> > > General Secretary, PeaceNet | phone:     (+82) 2- 583-3033
> > > Seoul Yangchun P.O.Box 81   |   pcs:     (+82) 019-259-2667
> > > Seoul, 158-600, Korea       | eMail:   ehchun at peacenet.or.kr
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
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> > --
> > Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales, BSEE
> > Information Technology Specialist
> > Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> > Member of the ICANN's DNSO Non-Commercial Constituency
> > Tel: (507) 317-0169
> > http://www.sdnp.org.pa
> > e-mail:  vany at sdnp.org.pa
> >
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Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales, BSEE
Information Technology Specialist
Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
Member of the ICANN's DNSO Non-Commercial Constituency
Tel: (507) 317-0169
http://www.sdnp.org.pa
e-mail:  vany at sdnp.org.pa

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