<div dir="ltr"><b>Hi Rafik, Bill and all,</b><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>Thanks for the feedback. Below I indicate the action or took and questions so we could move forward:</b></div><div><br></div><img src="http://t.signalecinque.com/e1t/o/5/f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v4dZ14W63RyC23Lr71xN5wLPS8QFLCHW1t4L0x1k1H6H0?si=4815485689397248&pi=e0e71b9d-dd8e-4192-efd9-ba95de190cf4" width="1" height="1" style="display:none"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 23, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div> <br>> Q15: Regarding the second option: posing use of the NCSG wiki as an alternative to the NCUC </div><div>>mail list seems confusing because the survey is for NCUC members, not NCSG members, and they </div><div>>wouldn’t get any NCUC info from the NCSG wiki. If you want to frame it as a choice between platforms</div><div> >for updates, wouldn’t it make sense to say <a href="http://ncuc.org/" target="_blank">ncuc.org</a> instead? Second, "to get for updates” needs a copy edit.</div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>You're right. Now it's fixed.</b></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I suggested <a href="http://ncsg.is/" target="_blank">ncsg.is</a> since it includes a lot of info about policy work. you can still add that to the question with <a href="http://ncuc.org/" target="_blank">ncuc.org</a></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>Sure, just indicate which why so no confusion</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b>I changed the option to: "<i>It's too much! So instead, post updates on <a href="http://ncuc.org">ncuc.org</a> for NCUC activities and <a href="http://ncsg.is">ncsg.is</a> for updates on policy work</i>"</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>Please let me know if this makes sense or suggest some other formulation.</b></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div> <br></div><div>> Q16: The list mixes current groups with older ones like JAS but not MAPO, not sure why. </div><div><br></div><div><b>This is actually a great observation. For someone who is not a veteran -like myself- I would certainly not know about which WGs or committees are continuing and which are no longer active. I just relied on the official <a href="http://t.signalecinque.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XX4Rs3g6VRJgRz5wvCLRW2zq5cM56dB2Rf3GmCG602?t=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fcategory%2Fgnso&si=4815485689397248&pi=c480a93d-7f2d-44d1-faec-ad532df805ca" target="_blank">ICANN GNSO Confluence web page</a> and simply copied and pasted all the working groups and committees that were listed there under the two headlines:</b></div><div><b>- Joint SO/AC Working Groups<br></b></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>The term of art is Cross Community Working Groups, probably best to use the official lingo</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b>Just so we don't spend too much more time on this, could you do me a favor and point out that the below active list is what we want to include in the survey? Is there anything else missing, incorrect, or needs removal?</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><div><b><u>GNSO Working Groups:</u></b></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"></p><ol><li><b>Curative
Rights Protections for IGO/INGOs (IGO-INGO-CRP)<br></b></li><li><b>Discussion
Group – New gTLD Subsequent Rounds (ngTLDs-DG)<br></b></li><li><b>GAC-GNSO
Consultation Group on Early Engagement (GAC-GNSO-CG)<br></b></li><li><b>Geo Regions
Review Community-wide WG<br></b></li><li><b>GNSO Data
& Metrics for Policy Making WG<br></b></li><li><b>GNSO PDP
Improvements Discussion Group (PDP-IMPR)<br></b></li><li><b>GNSO Review
Committee (REVIEW)<br></b></li><li><b>GNSO
Standing Committee on Improvements Implementation (SCI)<br></b></li><li><b>Policy
& Implementation WG (POLIMP)<br></b></li><li><b>RAA Privacy
& Proxy Services Accreditation Issues WG (PPSAI)<br></b></li><li><b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;line-height:115%">Translation/Transliteration of Internationalized
Registration Data WG (T&T) </span><br></b></li></ol><p></p>
</div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><br></b></span></div><div><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6666669845581px;line-height:16.8666667938232px"><b><u>Cross Community Working Groups connected to GNSO:</u></b></span></font></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"></p><ol><li><b>CCWG on
Enhancing ICANN Accountability<br></b></li><li><b>CCWG to
Develop an IANA Stewardship Transition Proposal on Naming Related Functions<br></b></li><li><b>CCWG on
Internet Governance (CWG-IG)<br></b></li><li><b>CCWG to
develop a framework for the use of Country and Territory names as TLDs
(CWG-UCTN)<br></b></li><li><b>CCWG to
develop a Framework of Principles for Future CWGs (CWG-Principles) </b></li></ol><p></p></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><b>- GNSO Working Groups/Drafting Teams/Steering Committees/Work Teams</b></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>for GNSO WGs, the list and status is indicated here: <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/project" target="_blank">http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/project</a>, active <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active" target="_blank">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active</a> , completed here <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/group-activites/inactive-teams.htm" target="_blank">http://gnso.icann.org/group-activites/inactive-teams.htm</a> </div><div>other GNSO activities, which are not necessarily WGs <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other" target="_blank">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other</a> </div><div> </div><div>there is no master list for CCWGs and confluence remains the reference. btw JAS is dormant and can be reactivated anytime </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>So active and sleeping but wake-able seems a good cut</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b>I don't think it is necessary to include any other WGs apart from those that are active. But if I'm missing something on the above lists, do let me know.</b></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>we can ask people about WGs in general if they are or were participating in some. that can give an idea of some didn't get involved since a while.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>>In any event, could you please include the Cross Community Working Group on Internet Governance as an option, a </div><div>>number of us are in there. Ditto the CCWG on Accountability. I'd list the informal CC group on human rights </div><div>>as well, a number of us have been putting in time there. More generally, it might be sensible to separately </div><div>>group the GNSO groups and the CCWGs. </div></div><div><br></div><div><b>I have split the question into to, one for GNSO groups and the other for CCWGs, whose list I also got from the <a href="http://t.signalecinque.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XX4Rs3g6VRJgRz5wvCLRW2zq5cM56dB2Rf3GmCG602?t=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fcategory%2Fcrosscommunitywg&si=4815485689397248&pi=c480a93d-7f2d-44d1-faec-ad532df805ca" target="_blank">Confluence page</a>. I am still not fully aware of which WGs are active and which are not. Let me know if I need to remove any.</b></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>> Q19: Neither the bylaws nor event planning teams nor the lists created for them are operational. Similarly, </div><div>>there is no NCUC privacy group, and to be honest I didn’t know a mail list had been created. I’d suggested </div><div>>such a group last year when about twenty people said they were interested in working on privacy, but then </div><div>>others objected that any privacy work had to be done at the SG level (where no privacy group was formed, </div><div>>but whatever). Listing these will artificially increase the number of “not engaged” responses and present a </div><div>>distorted picture. I would remove these options, and if we (re)create groups to perform these functions in the </div><div>>future and fire up the lists we can put fresh information on the website.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>@Bill just for clarification, there is a NCSG privacy list and there was discussion following-up the meeting with the board in singapore last year .and there is even an etherpad where several people worked on .</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></span></div><div>Ah, thanks, I forgot Rafik. Is there a single page somewhere with pointers all NCSG mail lists, like <a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo?" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo?</a> I should know this but don’t, and don’t see it on the wiki. I know some are hosted at Syracuse and some at IPJustice but links could be aggregated...</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b>Does that mean that I should re-include NCUS-Privacy list as an option or is it dormant? Or is there another name (e.g., NCSG-Privacy)? Where is the mailing list subscription URL? I found a reference to it here: <a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-discuss/2014-March/016196.html">http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-discuss/2014-March/016196.html</a> But it just takes me to the NCSG-discuss list.</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>Furthermore, am I correct to assume that every NCUC member is also a member of NCSG-DISCUSS? If not, then I could add it to the list of mailing lists and also include the NCUC-Privacy. </b></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br></div><div>BTW Walid I think one of your questions was about whether a guide to acronyms would help new members. Have you seen this <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/glossary-2014-02-03-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/glossary-2014-02-03-en</a> </div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b>What I had in mind is a smaller more dynamic list that has terms most frequently used within the NCUC discussions and include more recently established terms, such as CCWG on IG (Cross Community Working Group on Internet Governance). I am hoping that such a list would include every single abbreviation that is mentioned in mailing list discussions but not necessarily in the master list you referred to. That's why I included 'relevant to NCUC topics' in the option. I know that CC and WG are straight forward. But for a brand newcomer, they may not be.</b></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div></div><div>Maybe we should link to it from the NCUC page as Rafik has done from the NCSG wiki…In fact, I don’t think we have many links between the two generally, maybe we should look into better integration.</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><b>Just as a side note, it surprised me how many new ideas and conclusions emerged simply by developing this survey. I guess there's room to create better and stronger links between NCUC, NCSG and GNSO and also better organize, update and clean up the online space. It's also been a good exercise for me as the survey developer:)</b></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div></div><div>Any other questionnaire feedback from people, or are we ready to launch?</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b>Yes please, I think we need more input from the rest of you folks.</b></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div> </div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>