<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 23, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Walid,<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""> <br class="">> Q15: Regarding the second option: posing use of the NCSG wiki as an alternative to the NCUC </div><div class="">>mail list seems confusing because the survey is for NCUC members, not NCSG members, and they </div><div class="">>wouldn’t get any NCUC info from the NCSG wiki. If you want to frame it as a choice between platforms</div><div class=""> >for updates, wouldn’t it make sense to say <a href="http://ncuc.org/" target="_blank" class="">ncuc.org</a> instead? Second, "to get for updates” needs a copy edit.</div><div class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div class=""><b class="">You're right. Now it's fixed.</b></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suggested <a href="http://ncsg.is/" class="">ncsg.is</a> since it includes a lot of info about policy work. you can still add that to the question with <a href="http://ncuc.org/" class="">ncuc.org</a></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Sure, just indicate which why so no confusion<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""> <br class=""></div><div class="">> Q16: The list mixes current groups with older ones like JAS but not MAPO, not sure why. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">This is actually a great observation. For someone who is not a veteran -like myself- I would certainly not know about which WGs or committees are continuing and which are no longer active. I just relied on the official <a href="http://t.signalecinque.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XX4Rs3g6VRJgRz5wvCLRW2zq5cM56dB2Rf3GmCG602?t=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fcategory%2Fgnso&si=4815485689397248&pi=c480a93d-7f2d-44d1-faec-ad532df805ca" target="_blank" class="">ICANN GNSO Confluence web page</a> and simply copied and pasted all the working groups and committees that were listed there under the two headlines:</b></div><div class=""><b class="">- Joint SO/AC Working Groups<br class=""></b></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The term of art is Cross Community Working Groups, probably best to use the official lingo</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><b class="">- GNSO Working Groups/Drafting Teams/Steering Committees/Work Teams</b></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">for GNSO WGs, the list and status is indicated here: <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/project" class="">http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/project</a>, active <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active" class="">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active</a> , completed here <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/group-activites/inactive-teams.htm" class="">http://gnso.icann.org/group-activites/inactive-teams.htm</a> </div><div class="">other GNSO activities, which are not necessarily WGs <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other" class="">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other</a> </div><div class=""> </div><div class="">there is no master list for CCWGs and confluence remains the reference. btw JAS is dormant and can be reactivated anytime </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>So active and sleeping but wake-able seems a good cut<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">we can ask people about WGs in general if they are or were participating in some. that can give an idea of some didn't get involved since a while.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">>In any event, could you please include the Cross Community Working Group on Internet Governance as an option, a </div><div class="">>number of us are in there. Ditto the CCWG on Accountability. I'd list the informal CC group on human rights </div><div class="">>as well, a number of us have been putting in time there. More generally, it might be sensible to separately </div><div class="">>group the GNSO groups and the CCWGs. </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">I have split the question into to, one for GNSO groups and the other for CCWGs, whose list I also got from the <a href="http://t.signalecinque.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XX4Rs3g6VRJgRz5wvCLRW2zq5cM56dB2Rf3GmCG602?t=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fcategory%2Fcrosscommunitywg&si=4815485689397248&pi=c480a93d-7f2d-44d1-faec-ad532df805ca" target="_blank" class="">Confluence page</a>. I am still not fully aware of which WGs are active and which are not. Let me know if I need to remove any.</b></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">> Q19: Neither the bylaws nor event planning teams nor the lists created for them are operational. Similarly, </div><div class="">>there is no NCUC privacy group, and to be honest I didn’t know a mail list had been created. I’d suggested </div><div class="">>such a group last year when about twenty people said they were interested in working on privacy, but then </div><div class="">>others objected that any privacy work had to be done at the SG level (where no privacy group was formed, </div><div class="">>but whatever). Listing these will artificially increase the number of “not engaged” responses and present a </div><div class="">>distorted picture. I would remove these options, and if we (re)create groups to perform these functions in the </div><div class="">>future and fire up the lists we can put fresh information on the website.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">@Bill just for clarification, there is a NCSG privacy list and there was discussion following-up the meeting with the board in singapore last year .and there is even an etherpad where several people worked on .</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>Ah, thanks, I forgot Rafik. Is there a single page somewhere with pointers all NCSG mail lists, like <a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo?" class="">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo?</a> I should know this but don’t, and don’t see it on the wiki. I know some are hosted at Syracuse and some at IPJustice but links could be aggregated...</div><div><br class=""></div><div>BTW Walid I think one of your questions was about whether a guide to acronyms would help new members. Have you seen this <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/glossary-2014-02-03-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/glossary-2014-02-03-en</a> </div><div><br class=""></div><div>Maybe we should link to it from the NCUC page as Rafik has done from the NCSG wiki…In fact, I don’t think we have many links between the two generally, maybe we should look into better integration.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Any other questionnaire feedback from people, or are we ready to launch?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Best</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Bill</div><br class=""></div></body></html>