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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9 1.2013 23:52, William Drake wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi Norbert
On Jan 9, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Norbert Klein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net"><nhklein@gmx.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On 9 1.2013 21:30, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Sounds good to me. I take it he's new NCSG member and we still
need to get him to join NCUC, by whatever process we can manage?
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<pre wrap="">I think it will be most important to clearly, but briefly, have a description about what is what - NCSG, NCUC - and how they relate - and this in the wider environment of the GNSO of ICANN.
I think whenever I talked with people about the possibility of them joining NCUC, I often got questions about what-is-what. A reference to the ICANN site or some sub-sites will probably NOT provide clarity, but frighten people because of the complexity of ICANN.
Therefore WE should try to elaborate something easy to read, and clear - less than one page - saying WHY we are in NCUC and what we strive for.
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This material from the front of ncuc.org seems a bit dated but ought to be clear enough, one would think:
Who can join NCUC?
The NCUC is open to noncommercial organizations and individuals involved in education, community networking, public policy advocacy, development, promotion of the arts, children's welfare, religion, consumer protection, scientific research, human rights and many other areas. See our charter for membership eligibility (including proposed revisions allowing individual members).
How do I/we join NCUC?
The NCUC is a Constituency within the Noncommercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) at ICANN. To become an individual or organizational member of the NCUC, you must complete the NCSG application and select NCUC as the Constituency you wish to join. Once your application is approved, you can join this website. Get involved in protecting the communication and activities we value on the Internet!
If you don't think it's clear enough, would you be willing to take a lead on drafting something new that we could use? Later when we have a functioning communication comm we can elaborate it further to taste…
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Thanks Bill,<br>
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for helping me to articulate more clearly my concern. I agree, the
wording you quote here is clear - but I think in our regular
communications on the lists we do not use much this URL -
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ncuc.org/">http://ncuc.org/</a> - as the starting point, or as the point of
reference to the good materials stored there. <br>
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And also there are certain features I do not understand (maybe I am
not the only one): What is the function of <b>Colleagues</b> on
this site? I have 5 colleagues (a rather randomly assorted group -
with some I communicate (via the lists) often, with the majority
close to never; and I have a <b>Colleague</b> <b>request</b> from
a person in a context probably VERY different from mine - should I
respond? Why should I respond? How does such a "colleague"
relationship relate to the other lines of communication? <br>
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So: it is not the wording - but the location of this wording in our
regular exchanges. And I think it might be good to clarify some
things (keep them with a defined meaning - or throw them out) like
the <b>"Colleagues</b>".<br>
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Surely this cannot be done just be discussing it here - but where is
such house-cleaning to be done? Maybe by a <b>Group</b> on
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ncuc.org/">http://ncuc.org/</a> ? Maybe by the 12 Members of the <b>Media Group</b>
there (where the latest activity is noted in December 2009):<br>
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<b>Members responsible for media relations and media strategy.</b><b><br>
</b><b>Members: 12</b><b><br>
</b><b>Latest Activity: Dec 14, 2009 </b><b><br>
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</b>And somebody (maybe this group? - or rather not) will also have
<b>to review the 14 existing groups</b><b> (and their membership)</b>
to have a clearer idea about the locations where we cooperate.<br>
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All this is to say that I appreciate your effort that we have to
clarify and organize or reorganize many things in NCUC. - I would
like to better understand the framework for these efforts. And I am
prepared to play my role - especially if it is in a defined context
so that all the different efforts will be clearly interrelated and
coordinated.<br>
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Norbert<br>
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