<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 14/12/2012, at 2:41 AM, William Drake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi<div><br></div><div>As just mentioned on the Web Spaces thread, we have a bunch of appointments to fill, some of which will mean web site updates, most if not all of which are technically expired so we should act. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>NCSG Executive Committee <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/NCSG-EC">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/NCSG-EC</a> Our two current reps are Milton and Rafik. While tired, I believe both can be persuaded to stay another term, will check if that is ok with everyone? They've done a great job dealing with some mind-numbing stuff.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I'd be very happy for Milton and Rafik to continue if they wish to do so. They've done an excellent job taking a hard stand on membership rules. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>NCSG Policy Committee <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/NCSG-PC">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/NCSG-PC</a> Was Brenden and Konstantinos. I have what I think is a really good solution to propose: Avri and Mary. I've spoken with both about this in the past couple of days and they're both prepared to step up. We really need people who have deep and demonstrated engagements with the issues, are well organized and systematic in keeping track and following up on stuff, and able to work well with both the NCSG Councilors, members, other constituencies/stakeholders, etc down the line. Both fit the bill and more in a zillion ways, plus we'd get some gender balance in our NCUC leadership team. What does everyone think? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I think Avri and Mary are great choices for a range of reasons. While KK and Brendan have a lot of policy expertise, I think it is becoming clearer that we need procedural coordination as well, especially if things like the 'strawman' stuff where policy debate it happening outside GNSO council process is going to keep happening, and Avri and Mary are two of our procedural experts with broad contacts. </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(and agreement on the gender balance point)</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>NCSG Financial Committee <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/NCSG-FC">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/NCSG-FC</a> I don't know if Milton wants to keep at this, on top of maintaining NCUC's finances, but can ask. Unless someone else is interested…one thing is for sure, both for NCUC and NCSG: we need to pay more attention to the ICANN budget process and not be so shy in our requests. Other constituencies and stakeholder groups have secured a lot of resources, and with the new gTLD gazillions washing around the system, there's no reason we should be so principled as to deny ourselves support for holding meetings, doing outreach, and other useful functions.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I agree that we need to pay more attention to the budget process etc. ICANN staff have tended to push this on to the chairs by default, and the chair already has plenty of other demands on their time, and this is one area that can be separated off.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I will note that finding someone who can remain attentive and awake during hour long presentations from Xavier is something I found pretty difficult, and may require a special person. Or stimulants. </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>And we do definitely need to keep pushing for funding the way other groups do. </div><div><br></div><div>I have no useful input for ALAC liason, other than if it does go to an NPOC person, we will need to keep an eye on them. There are already ALAC people who are very keen to berate NCUC for how mean we are being to the nice NPOC people (Alan, notably, who scolded me for NCUC taking all the council slots and not sharing in Toronto), and we need to ensure that there is someone there to tell our side of the story.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>ATRT2: Avri has put her name in for this. One or two NPOC people have as well. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>This is an SG wide appointment, but I really think this is an important one. The ATRT really needs someone very familiar with the details of ICANN process etc, and we really need a strong advocate for NCUC in there. </div><div>The other RT teams I would be willing to consider an NPOC candidate with good relevant qualifications or experience, but I think we should back Avri strongly. </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Note that the NPOC people can, of course, apply without GNSO endorsement. I think there is little harm in encouraging them to do so. But I'd much prefer to see the NCSG GNSO endorsement spot go to Avri. </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cheers </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>David</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br><div><div>On Dec 13, 2012, at 2:58 PM, David Cake wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Yes, I was the interim Chair, as I was not elected directly but selected from the EC to fill in when KK resigned, but Bill is the real deal. <br><br>But I think you are wrong on NomCom, Bill - we had to make our NomCom appointment back prior to Toronto, when the 2013 NomCom had their first meeting - and Rafik was selected as our NomCom rep then, and as far as I know there is no reason to revisit that decision. I understand the confusion as there was that nonsense about whether we needed an interim 2012 rep complicating the issue. <br>That should be reflected on the page (though NomCom rep is an EC appointment not a directly elected one). <br><br>Another issue coming up soon is endorsement for an ATRT2 rep, though that is on an SG basis not Constituency. <br><br>Cheers<br><br>David<br><br>On 13/12/2012, at 1:26 AM, William Drake wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Hi Wilson<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for the rapid response. A couple small corrections:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I'm chair, not interim chair, and Maria is no longer our Nomcom rep (one of a number of appointments we need to make---more later).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">And please call me Bill. :-)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 12, 2012, at 21:10, Wilson Abigaba <<a href="mailto:abigabaw@gmail.com">abigabaw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Dear Drake,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for the heads up! Wish you all the best in Dubai.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://ncuc.org/page/elected-officers">http://ncuc.org/page/elected-officers</a> has been updated. Could Robin or<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Avri update <a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=8945848">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=8945848</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">too? I can also do it I have the appropriate rights.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Kind Regards,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Wilson<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:17 PM, William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hello everyone,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Greetings from Dubai. I'm sorry I've not been in touch yet but the election<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">results were announced as I was in transit here, and things have been rather<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">hectic since with the WCIT negotiations, which are going painfully slow and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">still have many deep disagreements to sort out in very little time. It's<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">really difficult to say at this point whether the whole thing will collapse<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">or not.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Anyway, we have many things to start to sort out, and in the days ahead I'll<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">start getting caught up and EC messages from me will start to inundate your<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">inboxes.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We need to get you on the relevant web spaces. The first is the space<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">maintained by ICANN for the GNSO and its subsidiary bodies. I guess you<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">should send the GNSO secretariat, meaning the wonderful Glen de Saint Géry<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:Glen@icann.org">Glen@icann.org</a>> (copied above), photos of yourselves that can be posted at<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg/ncuc">http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg/ncuc</a>.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The second is our own webspace (about which we'll need to make some<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">decisions). No photos there, but the list of EC members at<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://ncuc.org/page/elected-officers">http://ncuc.org/page/elected-officers</a> has to get undated. Ed and Wilson<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">you'd expressed an interest in taking a lead on this, which I'm sure Brenden<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">would appreciate as he's been doing this and many other functions solo for<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">some time. If you could perhaps be in touch with him (copied above) to get<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that started this would be very helpful.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Have to run,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Bill<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">***************************************************<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">William J. 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