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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>Can I have any comments and/or amendments on this – it should be sent today.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>KK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Senior Lecturer,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Director of LLM Information Technology and Telecommunications Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>University of Strathclyde,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>The Law School,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Graham Hills building, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>UK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765">http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Selected publications: <a href="http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038">http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Website: <a href="http://www.komaitis.org">www.komaitis.org</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Konstantinos Komaitis <br><b>Sent:</b> Τρίτη, 17 Ιανουαρίου 2012 10:31 πμ<br><b>To:</b> ec-ncuc@ipjustice.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Ncu-exec] CSG budget requests from ICANN for FY2013<br><b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>Please find attached two budget requests from ICANN – one concerning outreach/travel support and the other one requesting support for a<b><i> </i></b>possible summit in 2013.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>Anyway these are just drafts and I would appreciate it if others could make any amendments and/or additions to these requests. Please note that the deadline for these to be submitted is <b>January 20.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>KK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Senior Lecturer,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Director of LLM Information Technology and Telecommunications Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>University of Strathclyde,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>The Law School,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Graham Hills building, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>UK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765">http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Selected publications: <a href="http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038">http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Website: <a href="http://www.komaitis.org">www.komaitis.org</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ncu-exec-bounces@ipjustice.org [mailto:ncu-exec-bounces@ipjustice.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joy Liddicoat<br><b>Sent:</b> Πέμπτη, 12 Ιανουαρίου 2012 1:28 πμ<br><b>To:</b> 'Non-Commercial Users - ICT Policy - Internet Governance - ICANN'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ncu-exec] CSG budget requests from ICANN for FY2013<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi – apologies for the late entry on this discussion. I agree with you Robin – a principled but pragmatic approach is best and, as Wendy suggests, perhaps we can prepare a motion for the Feb meeting in the light of this discussion and KK’s draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As a relative newbie to this area, I do marvel at the running on the spot on this outreach issue (I say this having just read the transcript that KK sent through of the webinar – very enlightening – and your helpful backgrounder Bill). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My simplistic outreach strategy: ICANN constituencies and SGs better reflecting the diversity of the community they purport to serve – bringing in more of the multiple stakeholders and diverse voices. I’d start with where the gaps are in those voices and then begin taking initiatives and steps in those directions. One or two budget requests that support a clear, transparent strategy (that is not patronage based, but makes some choices about where to start), seems feasible. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In relation to something in conjunction with an ICANN meeting – I’m currently exploring ways to better link human rights advocates and the technical community in other areas in APC. Here, perhaps a thematic side event to an ICANN meeting on specific human rights topics we know are topical in ICANN and timely given current PDPs etc would be useful – such as the WHOIS policy and law enforcement issues. I’d prefer this kind of event, rather than invited ambassadors or ‘future leaders’ (which can easily be patronage based).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Joy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ncu-exec-bounces@ipjustice.org [mailto:ncu-exec-bounces@ipjustice.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robin Gross<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 12 January 2012 7:34 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Non-Commercial Users - ICT Policy - Internet Governance - ICANN<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ncu-exec] CSG budget requests from ICANN for FY2013<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>I think there will be requests at the CSG level and also at the constituency level.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>I agree with trying to keep things like this managed at the constituency level, which I why I suggested NCUC should make a budget request to hold a meeting, conduct outreach, officer travel, etc. One or two simple budget requests for very specific needs could help NCUC without leading to the MC-style patronage machine, which I also do not want to create. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>And for a budget request related to holding a conference in conjunction with an ICANN meeting, the support we would be requesting would be largely for meeting room space and technology support from ICANN (rather than direct cash). But if we don't make the request now, it won't get built into ICANN's budget for Prague, Toronto, or the one after in Asia-Pacific.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>We need to do something in-between incentivising a patronage machine and NCUC making no requests so all funds go to the other constituencies who have made their needs known through this budget request process.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>Robin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ>On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Robin:</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Problem with that is that the CSG request comes at the SG level.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If we request through NCSG we have NPOC to contend with. My frank view is that we don't want to build up NCSG into a Cade-style patronage machine. Which is why I responded the way I did to Stoll on the NCSG finance committee.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>NCUC should make similar budget requests (deadline 20 Jan).</span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span class=apple-style-span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Robin</span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>Ncu-exec mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ncu-exec@ipjustice.org">Ncu-exec@ipjustice.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ncu-exec">http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ncu-exec</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>IP JUSTICE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Robin Gross, Executive Director<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>