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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>I think this is a potentially confusing and even damaging change that we have to handle carefully. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Members need to know who they are communicating with. Proliferation of lists among casually connected members will confuse them and they are bound to fail to keep up with one of the two lists (NCSG v. NCUC). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>IMHO, We want the “discuss” list to be SG-wide. That is, we want all policy issues to be discussed openly among ALL SG members, and not confined to NCUC members only, and we don’t want NCUC members to start silo-ing off their conversations into a place where others are not accessible. So let’s make the new NCUC list an announce list only – an official list of NCUC members for voting on any constituency list matters. In some way this will be a problem – there may be times when the NCUC by itself wants to have a conversation about specific things, but I do fear splitting up our discussions before people are used to the fact that there are multiple constituencies. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Really, this multiple-tiered model is SUCH a fuckedup thing. It only could have been invented by full-time paid staff members with no clue as to how real world civil society people spend their time. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ec-ncuc-bounces@ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncuc-bounces@ipjustice.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Konstantinos Komaitis<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Brenden Kuerbis'; EC-NCUC@ipjustice.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ec-ncuc] NCSG discussion list<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>I think it is important we do…we need to have a separate list that is archived and all, but we need a separate list for internal purposes. What do other think?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>KK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Senior Lecturer,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Director of LLM Information Technology and Telecommunications Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>University of Strathclyde,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>The Law School,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Graham Hills building, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>UK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765">http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765</a></span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Selected publications: <a href="http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038">http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Bodoni MT Condensed","serif";color:#1F497D'>Website: <a href="http://www.komaitis.org">www.komaitis.org</a></span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ec-ncuc-bounces@ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncuc-bounces@ipjustice.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brenden Kuerbis<br><b>Sent:</b> Τετάρτη, 13 Ιουλίου 2011 5:16 μμ<br><b>To:</b> EC-NCUC@ipjustice.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ec-ncuc] NCSG discussion list<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-GB>I got no reply to this, so I assume we can go ahead with this renaming of the NCSG-NCUC list to the NCSG list. The followup question is then - does NCUC want to initiate a separate list for internal constituency business?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-GB>On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Brenden Kuerbis <<a href="mailto:bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org">bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-GB>Unless there are other suggestions, I'm going to start the process of renaming the NCSG-NCUC-Discuss list to the NCSG-Discuss list. <br><br>Does anyone have thoughts about NCUC creating a separate list for its own constituency business?<br><br>Thanks,<br><span style='color:#888888'><br>Brenden</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-GB>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b>Avri Doria</b> <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>><br>Date: Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:26 PM<br>Subject: NCSG discussion list<br>To: Brenden Kuerbis <<a href="mailto:bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org" target="_blank">bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org</a>><br><br><br>hi,<br><br>What do we do to create an NCSG discussion list that does not have the NCUC name in it. I would like to keep the same list, but I think we ned to rename it.<br><br>As to whether NCUC wishes to have a seperate NCUC list, that is up to NCUC itself.<br><br>Suggestions?<br><span style='color:#888888'><br>a.<br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>