<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">should have sent to publicly archived list yesterday, wasn't thinking, sorry<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Website</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">June 28, 2013 11:07:43 AM GMT+02:00<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Wilson Abigaba <<a href="mailto:wilson@isoc.ug">wilson@isoc.ug</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">"Tarvainen, Tapani" <<a href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>><br></span></div><br><div>Hi<br><br>Adding Tapani.<br><br>On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Wilson Abigaba <<a href="mailto:wilson@isoc.ug">wilson@isoc.ug</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">I really think we should put it live before Durban (yes, we have only 2 weeks).<br></blockquote><br>We obviously can't put up a website with missing content, it would be unbelievably unprofessional and we would look like fools. And I cannot now drop everything else I am doing and add crashing on writing text for all the missing pages by myself. We will need to get some people together to do this. If we'd had known for sure what when we could have gone to likely suspects for content (Milton, Avri, Rafik, councilors, etc) and said ok let's work out a production schedule, who's going to be responsible for which pages, when can you deliver drafts, when we can edit it all together into final form and give it back to the tech guys to publish, etc. We discussed all this on the e-team list, see the messages of 17 May - 3 June. There were no smoke signals, and trying now to do this by Durban would mean imposing on people quite a lot, and since everyone seems to be maxed out I'm highly skeptical it's viable. <br><blockquote type="cite"><br>Since Roy is coming to Durban, its launch will act as a reminder for him to help us with the missing content if he can.<br></blockquote><br>He is aware that he has not done the data base. He did not promise to do it now, he said by Buenos Aires. We don't need to show the world a blank page for a half year with "data base coming" for Roy to be reminded.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">I have a very very rough to do list (adapted from all the emails exchanges last month). It's attached but you may probably not look at it. Once I organize it and implement some the items on it, I will post to the e-team with a clear way forward and proposal for launch.<br><br>I have shared lightly about it with Tapani.<br></blockquote><br>But more lightly with me and everyone else. We cannot construct a community effort based private conversations and agendas, people have to be apprised and given some lead time. <br><br>So let's go through it again and figure out what's realistic.<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/about/history/">http://new.ncuc.org/about/history/</a> [No content. Should be Milton, Robin, and/or Kathy]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/about/role/">http://new.ncuc.org/about/role/</a> [No content. Should be tightly linked with the above]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/governance/bylaws/">http://new.ncuc.org/governance/bylaws/</a> [Suggest adding mention "to be revised"…a bit weird to launch a new site with a text that doesn't comport with reality, e.g. if some looked for the Policy Committee or schedule of Dues they wouldn't find them. At least flagging that change is pending might be sensible.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/governance/executive-committee/">http://new.ncuc.org/governance/executive-committee/</a> [Will have to remove Norbert, although apparently we will not be able to replace him soon.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/participate/working-teams/">http://new.ncuc.org/participate/working-teams/</a> [Rafik as MA coordinator. Events, delete Hong, she's not a NCUC member. Communications has never existed, might as well delete. Finance, I don't know what to do with it, has never really functioned, but certainly you should remove Maria as coordinator per her request. Bylaws will need to be amended, there are multiple people not listed who I know will want to be involved when the process is ready to start.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/participate/pdp-working-groups/">http://new.ncuc.org/participate/pdp-working-groups/</a> [No content. I'm not sure who suggested this or that we should list this it at all, as our participation is thin. But if we're going to, we'd need to a) change the name to GNSO Groups [it's not just WGs, it's also Drafting Teams] and b) send a message to the members list and ask who's involved in which of these <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active</a> and presumably only list on our website the ones with NCUC participants. Listing all the ones we're not in would be embarrassing.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/participate/document-collaboration/">http://new.ncuc.org/participate/document-collaboration/</a> [No content. I'm not sure who suggested this and what is envisaged.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/policy/correspondence/">http://new.ncuc.org/policy/correspondence/</a> [ [No content. People would have to go through all the correspondence over the years and pull out NCUC submissions for listing. That's a big project. If we could at least put up anything from the past couple years with an indicator there's more to come ok, but we can't publish a blank page.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/policy/motions/">http://new.ncuc.org/policy/motions/</a> [Same thing.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/policy/public-comments/">http://new.ncuc.org/policy/public-comments/</a> [Same thing.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/events/forthcoming-events/">http://new.ncuc.org/events/forthcoming-events/</a> <br><br>[Add these: <br><br>*List "NCUC panel and reception at the African School on Internet Governance, 10-12 July 2013, Durban", and when APC gets a page up with the final schedule link to that.<br><br>*Constituency Day 16 July 2013, Durban, (link to <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/NCUC+Constituency+Day+Meeting%2C+Durban%2C+Hall+C3%2C+Tuesday+16+April+2013%2C+9%3A00-12%3A30pm">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/NCUC+Constituency+Day+Meeting%2C+Durban%2C+Hall+C3%2C+Tuesday+16+April+2013%2C+9%3A00-12%3A30pm</a>)<br><br>*Workshop: The Debate on Closed Generic Top Level Domains, 17 July 2013, Durban (link to <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/NCUC+Workshop%3A+The+Debate+on+Closed+Generic+Top+Level+Domains">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/NCUC+Workshop%3A+The+Debate+on+Closed+Generic+Top+Level+Domains</a>)<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/events/past-conferences-and-workshops/">http://new.ncuc.org/events/past-conferences-and-workshops/</a> [List and link to events at Beijing, Toronto, SF…don't know if NCUC did others prior.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/events/other-presentations/">http://new.ncuc.org/events/other-presentations/</a> [No content. Here I was imagining listings of NCUC member presentations at other ICANN events, or "off campus" member talks on ICANN and IG issues, such as IGF workshops. Would need some time for people to submit.]<br><br>Also, I suppose we need an organized listing somewhere of Videos. And we need all the Member pages moved over. And to remove the video clip from the front page rotation with just Robin's chin showing.]<br><br>So by my count, that's eight important top of the category pages that have no content, some of which really cannot be done without multiple people digging up and submitting materials. Personally, I just don't see us having this by Durban, and I cannot fathom the logic of argument that we should kill the existing site and publish a new one with so much key material missing. <br><br>So what is your suggestion?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Bill<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
**********************************************************<br>William J. Drake<br>International Fellow & Lecturer<br> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br> University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br> ICANN, <a href="http://www.ncuc.org">www.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> <br><a href="http://www.williamdrake.org">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>***********************************************************<br>
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