<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: Website</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">June 28, 2013 12:10:12 PM GMT+02:00<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Wilson Abigaba <<a href="mailto:wilson@isoc.ug">wilson@isoc.ug</a>><br></span></div><br><div>Hi<br><br>On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 28 11:07, William Drake (<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>) wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">So let's go through it again and figure out what's realistic.<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/about/history/">http://new.ncuc.org/about/history/</a> [No content. Should be Milton, Robin, and/or Kathy]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/about/role/">http://new.ncuc.org/about/role/</a> [No content. Should be tightly linked with the above]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/governance/bylaws/">http://new.ncuc.org/governance/bylaws/</a> [Suggest adding mention "to<br>be revised"…a bit weird to launch a new site with a text that<br>doesn't comport with reality, e.g. if some looked for the Policy<br>Committee or schedule of Dues they wouldn't find them. At least<br>flagging that change is pending might be sensible.]<br></blockquote><br>Done (with optimistic timetable, too).<br></blockquote><br>"under revision process" isn't great English, why not just the second bit, end of year?<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/governance/executive-committee/">http://new.ncuc.org/governance/executive-committee/</a> [Will have to<br>remove Norbert, although apparently we will not be able to replace<br>him soon.]<br></blockquote><br>Guess we should put some text like "temporarily vacant" in there.<br><br>It also needs Carlos' picture. He's promised to send me one, but<br>hasn't as yet, even though I've asked repeatedly.<br>(Should've taken one of him myself in Beijing.)<br></blockquote><br>No comment. Why don't you just take one off the web, eg. <a href="http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=http://www.greengrants.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Carlos-Afonso-150x150.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.greengrants.org/our-community/alliance-of-funds/casa/&h=150&w=150&sz=11&tbnid=hGMNPUIG6VMjCM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=93&zoom=1&usg=__CjKJqDEm8jUm6aYI1EUdysaRk6g=&docid=Ra8FuOi5q4ACLM&sa=X&ei=Fl_NUeGzCcHL4ASSnYGwAg&ved=0CFEQ9QEwBw&dur=840">http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=http://www.greengrants.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Carlos-Afonso-150x150.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.greengrants.org/our-community/alliance-of-funds/casa/&h=150&w=150&sz=11&tbnid=hGMNPUIG6VMjCM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=93&zoom=1&usg=__CjKJqDEm8jUm6aYI1EUdysaRk6g=&docid=Ra8FuOi5q4ACLM&sa=X&ei=Fl_NUeGzCcHL4ASSnYGwAg&ved=0CFEQ9QEwBw&dur=840</a> <br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/participate/working-teams/">http://new.ncuc.org/participate/working-teams/</a> [Rafik as MA<br>coordinator.<br></blockquote><br>Done. (These come automatically from Mailman, whenever someone<br>subscribes the list he or she will appear here as well; "coordinator"<br>is simply added there in the real name field.)<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Events, delete Hong, she's not a NCUC member.<br></blockquote><br>Done.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Communications has never existed, might as well delete.<br></blockquote><br>Done (hidden, didn't actually delete.)<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Finance, I don't know what to do with it, has never really<br>functioned, but certainly you should remove Maria as coordinator per<br>her request.<br></blockquote><br>Done. (None marked as coordinator now, Maria left as member.)<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Bylaws will need to be amended, there are multiple people not listed<br>who I know will want to be involved when the process is ready to<br>start.]<br></blockquote><br>It will auto-amend as people subscribe the list.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/participate/pdp-working-groups/">http://new.ncuc.org/participate/pdp-working-groups/</a> [No content. I'm<br>not sure who suggested this or that we should list this it at all,<br>as our participation is thin. But if we're going to, we'd need to a)<br>change the name to GNSO Groups [it's not just WGs, it's also<br>Drafting Teams] and b) send a message to the members list and ask<br>who's involved in which of these<br><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active</a> and presumably only<br>list on our website the ones with NCUC participants. Listing all the<br>ones we're not in would be embarrassing.]<br></blockquote><br>This will take a while. <br></blockquote><br>You bet<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/participate/document-collaboration/">http://new.ncuc.org/participate/document-collaboration/</a> [No content. I'm not sure who suggested this and what is envisaged.]<br><br></blockquote><br>Don't remember its history either, but could put etherpad in there.<br></blockquote><br>Probably nobody will use the pad and it'll look silly. Why not delete until an identifiable need arises? Also, should people ever decide to use non-mail platforms to cooperate, we also have Confluence, which per previous would need to be linked to somehow.<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/policy/correspondence/">http://new.ncuc.org/policy/correspondence/</a> [ [No content. People would have to go through all the correspondence over the years and pull out NCUC submissions for listing. That's a big project. If we could at least put up anything from the past couple years with an indicator there's more to come ok, but we can't publish a blank page.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/policy/motions/">http://new.ncuc.org/policy/motions/</a> [Same thing.]<br><br><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/policy/public-comments/">http://new.ncuc.org/policy/public-comments/</a> [Same thing.]<br></blockquote><br>Yep, those are hard. But the stuff isn't anywhere on the old site either;<br>the initial goal was to make this as good as the old one, publish just<br>so the old one can be buried, and then proceed to build on that.<br><br>If we want the new site to be drastically better than the old one<br>at the time we go public with it, it's much harder - depending<br>of course on how high we set the bar.<br><br>I agree it's not nice to show blank pages, but we can simply hide<br>(remove from menus) those we can't come up with even some<br>filler text, build them in time and put them back to menus<br>whenever we get some content in them.<br></blockquote><br>Yes, there is that option, if you guys are really eager to show what you've done we just go with existing content only. In which case also hide the above mentioned History and Role etc.<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/events/forthcoming-events/">http://new.ncuc.org/events/forthcoming-events/</a> <br><br>[Add these: <br><br>*List "NCUC panel and reception at the African School on Internet Governance, 10-12 July 2013, Durban", and when APC gets a page up with the final schedule link to that.<br><br>*Constituency Day 16 July 2013, Durban, (link to <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/NCUC+Constituency+Day+Meeting%2C+Durban%2C+Hall+C3%2C+Tuesday+16+April+2013%2C+9%3A00-12%3A30pm">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/NCUC+Constituency+Day+Meeting%2C+Durban%2C+Hall+C3%2C+Tuesday+16+April+2013%2C+9%3A00-12%3A30pm</a>)<br><br>*Workshop: The Debate on Closed Generic Top Level Domains, 17 July 2013, Durban (link to <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/NCUC+Workshop%3A+The+Debate+on+Closed+Generic+Top+Level+Domains">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/NCUC+Workshop%3A+The+Debate+on+Closed+Generic+Top+Level+Domains</a>)<br><br></blockquote><br>Done.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/events/past-conferences-and-workshops/">http://new.ncuc.org/events/past-conferences-and-workshops/</a> [List and link to events at Beijing, Toronto, SF…don't know if NCUC did others prior.]<br><br></blockquote><br>Will take a short while to dig those up.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://new.ncuc.org/events/other-presentations/">http://new.ncuc.org/events/other-presentations/</a> [No content. Here I was imagining listings of NCUC member presentations at other ICANN events, or "off campus" member talks on ICANN and IG issues, such as IGF workshops. Would need some time for people to submit.]<br></blockquote><br>Probably best to hide this for now.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Also, I suppose we need an organized listing somewhere of Videos.<br>And we need all the Member pages moved over. And to remove the video<br>clip from the front page rotation with just Robin's chin showing.]<br></blockquote><br>Should we just remove it or substitute some other video or what?<br></blockquote><br>I would have the video linked off the front page, but if putting it in that particular box doesn't work due to sizing or something, don't. Her chin isn't a good look for our home page.<br><br>Maybe the rotating thing should show an updated members map (everyone loves that) and whatever ICANN is displaying for the current meeting?<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite">So by my count, that's eight important top of the category pages<br>that have no content, some of which really cannot be done without<br>multiple people digging up and submitting materials. Personally, I<br>just don't see us having this by Durban, and I cannot fathom the<br>logic of argument that we should kill the existing site and publish<br>a new one with so much key material missing.<br></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite">So what is your suggestion?<br></blockquote><br>As I said: it already has everything the old site and then some.<br>I was never expecting it to be "complete" at the time we go public.<br></blockquote><br>Ok, well I just don't want to publish with blank pages, so if you can get everything moved from the old and hide the categories we've not been able to fill, that'd be fine.<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Bill</div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
**********************************************************<br>William J. Drake<br>International Fellow & Lecturer<br> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br> University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br> ICANN, <a href="http://www.ncuc.org">www.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> <br><a href="http://www.williamdrake.org">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>***********************************************************<br>
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